OP
OP
Technical Change front end on 09 ducato x250 to 2015
- Thread starter Seanwinder22
- Start date
-
- Tags
- x250 facelift
Currently reading:
Technical Change front end on 09 ducato x250 to 2015
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
@thegreenvamper
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
@thegreenva
Does he explain how he wires the headlights
Because x250 is 8 wires
New headlight has 10
been trying to tag you it won’t let meCongrats!
I don't know the others, but I want to see the before / after comparison (of the whole van)
Does he explain how he wires the headlights
Because x250 is 8 wires
New headlight has 10
The difference is the daylight running lights. They were absent in the x250, but are located in the main headlight unit in the x290.
The guy from the youtube video doesn't mention it at all.
I suggested it earlier: I'd wire them on the external relay which will act as an automatic DRL switch. The ground is common. So one of the extra wires is +12V for the DRLs, but the other one... Check the posts 24, 26 and 31 of this thread. The #31 contains the description how the relay should be wired.
How did @Happydays2024 manage to wire the lights?
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Yes good thinking asking happy
The polish guy does put it in writing about soldering 1 to 1 staggered
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Attachments
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Another thing tho these headlights are not drl mate I’ll show you that’s drl my new one hasn’t got this it’s just silver chrome
Attachments
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Ok so here’s what I’m getting it’s a 1 to one fit for old wires to new
Do them 1 at a time
If you look at the old plug to the new wire the same
Leaves 2 wires in the middle of the plug like you say must be live and earth from drl
So wire one to engine live on the plug other to earth
That’s what I’m reading
But I’ll wait to see how happy did it
Do them 1 at a time
If you look at the old plug to the new wire the same
Leaves 2 wires in the middle of the plug like you say must be live and earth from drl
So wire one to engine live on the plug other to earth
That’s what I’m reading
But I’ll wait to see how happy did it
I've already explained you the thing.
The headlight you've posted in post #87 is the middle x290 headlight. I've showed you the RL homologation on your headlight sticker on the back of it in the beginning of the thread. Your lamp has the DRL here:
It looks like that when lit up:
It has a classic tungstene bulb.
They installed the LED strip later on (2016+?, but not sure). The newest x290 lamp has got full LED lights and those ones are like 400 EUR+ or even more. That's why I wrote in the beginning that the full LED x290 front is like 2000 EUR in total. And the full LED lights would be the only reason I'd go with the mod myself.
Could also be that there were different trim levels on different markets and some of them had LED strip as standard earlier on (starting with the x290 introduction).
If you still don't believe me, check the owners' manual. Should be available in the download section
The DRLs became an obligatory standard factory equipment in the EU, so they had to install it.
The headlight you've posted in post #87 is the middle x290 headlight. I've showed you the RL homologation on your headlight sticker on the back of it in the beginning of the thread. Your lamp has the DRL here:
It looks like that when lit up:
It has a classic tungstene bulb.
They installed the LED strip later on (2016+?, but not sure). The newest x290 lamp has got full LED lights and those ones are like 400 EUR+ or even more. That's why I wrote in the beginning that the full LED x290 front is like 2000 EUR in total. And the full LED lights would be the only reason I'd go with the mod myself.
Could also be that there were different trim levels on different markets and some of them had LED strip as standard earlier on (starting with the x290 introduction).
If you still don't believe me, check the owners' manual. Should be available in the download section
The DRLs became an obligatory standard factory equipment in the EU, so they had to install it.
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Yes you are right and I’ve just looked you mentioned this before I started the liftI've already explained you the thing.
The headlight you've posted in post #87 is the middle x290 headlight. I've showed you the RL homologation on your headlight sticker on the back of it in the beginning of the thread. Your lamp has the DRL here:
View attachment 453020
It looks like that when lit up:
View attachment 453021
View attachment 453022
It has a classic tungstene bulb.
They installed the LED strip later on (2016+?, but not sure). The newest x290 lamp has got full LED lights and those ones are like 400 EUR+ or even more. That's why I wrote in the beginning that the full LED x290 front is like 2000 EUR in total. And the full LED lights would be the only reason I'd go with the mod myself.
Could also be that there were different trim levels on different markets and some of them had LED strip as standard earlier on (starting with the x290 introduction).
If you still don't believe me, check the owners' manual. Should be available in the download section
The DRLs became an obligatory standard factory equipment in the EU, so they had to install it.
Just reading some threads the relay isn’t needed
If I don’t have to spend money and it’s avoided that’s what I’m looking to do
Got to be a more efficient and cheaper way
Just waiting on a diagram to see what the 2 plugs in the middle of the connector do
It seems that in the x290 this function comes from the BCM. You can engage them from MES in the BCM module to test. I've checked in MES and cannot find a function to activate it in the x250 menu. But could be available somewhere else, like for example the cruise control, which has to be activated via the Panda menu
Hope someone will be able to resolve this issue.
Pity, but the access to the documentation I have ends with the x250. Nothing newer regarding the Ducato
Hope someone will be able to resolve this issue.
Pity, but the access to the documentation I have ends with the x250. Nothing newer regarding the Ducato
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Ok so the 2 spare are for levelling the lightsIt seems that in the x290 this function comes from the BCM. You can engage them from MES in the BCM module to test. I've checked in MES and cannot find a function to activate it in the x250 menu. But could be available somewhere else, like for example the cruise control, which has to be activated via the Panda menu
Hope someone will be able to resolve this issue.
Pity, but the access to the documentation I have ends with the x250. Nothing newer regarding the Ducato
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
He says to activate it you go to the lamp engine then back to the cab up and down and it will start
Just talking to a guy in comments on video who did facelift
Happy will know but he takes a week to reply lol
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Found it
I'd say strange, as there is a levelling system also in the x250. It has an electric motor in each headlight unit. So the signal has to definitely go through the main plug.
That's the description of how the system works on the x250:
The main-beam headlights activation signal is sent to pin 2 of connector B of the M001 Body Computer from the H005 steering column switch unit.
Headlamp alignment adjustment is controlled by two specific buttons on the H091 left-hand control panel.
Pin 4 of the H091 control panel, which allows for headlamp alignment adjustment, is connected to pin 14 of the E050 instrument panel. Reference earth (pin 2) is received from the C022 central dashboard earth.
The M001 Body Computer controls the power supply to the main-beam headlamps and the headlamp alignment adjustment motor by sending an earth signal to relay T01 of the B002 junction unit under the dashboard, thus closing the contact and supplying the main-beam headlamps and the left (F010) and right (F011) headlamp alignment adjustment motors (pin 11 of both headlamps).
This power supply line is protected by fuse F13 located in the B002 junction unit under the dashboard.
Pin 8 of the E050 instrument panel receives the signal allowing the activation of the main beam headlamps, pin 7 sends the command that operates the headlamp alignment adjustment motors built into the headlamps (pin 9 of both headlamps) via a line entering pin 18 of connector C of the B002 junction unit under the dashboard and leaving pin 1 of connector A of the same.
The headlamp alignment correction system can only be activated with the ignition key in the ON position.
The headlamp alignment motors of both headlamps are connected, at the respective pin 13, to the C010 front left earth.
That's the diagram:
And the elements description:
B002 JUNCTION UNIT UNDER DASHBOARD
B099 MAXI FUSE BOX ON BATTERY
C010 LEFT FRONT EARTH
C022 Centre dashboard earth
E050 INSTRUMENT PANEL
F010 LEFT HEADLIGHT
F011 RIGHT HEADLIGHT
H001 IGNITION SWITCH
H091 DRIVER'S CONTROL ASSEMBLY (CONTROL PANEL ON DRIVER'S SIDE)
M001 BODY COMPUTER
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Thanks for the research really appreciate it
Yes I don’t understand what the guy means he’s not making sense one bit… he now says he think he bought lamps without levelling
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
This is what he now says , I will try today has im
Off work so will follow every colour wire and wire at a time
But will leave the 2 I mentioned which will be for drl
Like you mentioned this is only the change in the facelift
The plug from old headlight does fit I did try but when tried turning lights on low beam worked and main but high beam came from indicator bulb I can’t remember which way but one of the beams didn’t work the indicator lit up
Attachments
OP
OP
Seanwinder22
Member
Today I will try this way you said because I have some of these 5 pin relays in my shed I remember last night I removed a satellite from motorhome roof which was powered by this 5 pin relayFound it
So I will try 1 headlight but …
First I need wiring diagram but on the colour of the wires the Italians used
because frankly speaking they use any colour wires they have on the day on the belt line my friend has 2011 ducato anc his colour headlight wires are totally different so they definitely change colour different years Looking at mine headlight plug
My ducato is 09 maxi 160 3.0 multijet 160 comfortmatic and I’m lucky enough because old plug and new are the same lay out pin wise and wire colour some they just added stripes 2 tone to some
Even earth wire is same pin it looks because not only is it black but very thick to others
Just 2 new pins in the middle I mentioned
Which I think you are correct its dlr it’s got to be ffs nothing else new
Now like I say what colour wired do what on head like on ducato or what pin should I say
I need headlight socket connector diagram
