Technical Change front end on 09 ducato x250 to 2015

[the green vanper]

I can see they look like DRLs.

Rather take a picture of the headlight. We'll try to figure out what they can do

 

[Seanwinder22]

I can see they look like DRLs.

Rather take a picture of the headlight. We'll try to figure out what they can do

 

[Seanwinder22]

Better images

 

[the green vanper]

In my opinion that's the DRL. The one marked with the blue arrow.

It even has the DRL homologation on the sticker:

And I assume that's the reason why there are more cables in the loom / plug

 

[Seanwinder22]

In my opinion that's the DRL. The one marked with the blue arrow.

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It even has the DRL homologation on the sticker:

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And I assume that's the reason why there are more cables in the loom / plug

Sorry mate I’m a little lost now lol
These headlights I don’t think are led or drl
LED headlights are expensive
From looking at these the bulbs are not led

The drl is on the grill that’s the one with all the wires

In my opinion that's the DRL. The one marked with the blue arrow.

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It even has the DRL homologation on the sticker:

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And I assume that's the reason why there are more cables in the loom / plug

I didn’t think they was led headlights but I have never looked ever at led headlights so no idea what even the bulb looks like because I have halogen on the pre lift so thought these was the same
This is the wire from the headlight it’s self
The pic I posted yesterday of the wire was this led light on the grill
So I’m guessing on a can they would be wired to the headlight ?

This wire has more tho about 10

 

[the green vanper]

DRL stands for Daylight Running Lights. There's nothing about LED in the abbreviation. In the homologation documents it's called Running Lights, thus the RL marking on the sticker. HCR reffers to the rest of the headlight. The arrow shows that the installation is directionnal. The circled E+number is the European country in which the homologation was made.

In the early x290, as I wrote before, the DRL had a standard tungstene bulb. I marked the DRL headlight section with the blue arrow in the previous post. So that's the model you have. You can take the part number from the sticker (the one that starts with 137) and put it in the forum ePER to confirm which functions it has (I hope it will be described correctly). In the download section of the forum you should be able to find the owners manual of the early x290 to check which bulb should be used.

In later models SEVEL replaced this DRL tungstene bulb with a LED strip on the bottom of the headlight. And even later offered a full LED light. And yes, it's bloody expensive.

I'd get rid of the LED DRLs in the bumper. If you'll connect everything (both DRLs) correctly you won't pass MOT. Or at least you wouldn't pass the equivalent in the EU.

I think that in your situation (installing the headlights of the x290 in the x250) you'll need to wire the DRL part as standard (aftermarket) DRLs. Through the relay.

I will find a diagram how those should be wired by a relay and will post it, earliest tomorrow evening. I've prepared and wired a relay for myself, it's in the workshop, but won't have access to it for a week.

 

[Seanwinder22]

1374298080 that’s the part number which I don’t think are drl or led
Like you

DRL stands for Daylight Running Lights. There's nothing about LED in the abbreviation. In the homologation documents it's called Running Lights, thus the RL marking on the sticker. HCR reffers to the rest of the headlight. The arrow shows that the installation is directionnal. The circled E+number is the European country in which the homologation was made.

In the early x290, as I wrote before, the DRL had a standard tungstene bulb. I marked the DRL headlight section with the blue arrow in the previous post. So that's the model you have. You can take the part number from the sticker (the one that starts with 137) and put it in the forum ePER to confirm which functions it has (I hope it will be described correctly). In the download section of the forum you should be able to find the owners manual of the early x290 to check which bulb should be used.

In later models SEVEL replaced this DRL tungstene bulb with a LED strip on the bottom of the headlight. And even later offered a full LED light. And yes, it's bloody expensive.

I'd get rid of the LED DRLs in the bumper. If you'll connect everything (both DRLs) correctly you won't pass MOT. Or at least you wouldn't pass the equivalent in the EU.

I think that in your situation (installing the headlights of the x290 in the x250) you'll need to wire the DRL part as standard (aftermarket) DRLs. Through the relay.

I will find a diagram how those should be wired by a relay and will post it, earliest tomorrow evening. I've prepared and wired a relay for myself, it's in the workshop, but won't have access to it for a week.

ok thanks for that
Yes I understand about the drl
I was just confused because I did actually think the facelift did come with the upgraded led headlights

Like I said tho I have never done work on headlights ever so I don’t know how even if I purchased led headlights they could work in the 09 x250

Looking at the plug socket it looks no different then what’s on the x250 now it’s 8 male pins from the headlight
But 10 female on the plug so does look like plug and play unless drl then all 10 will be needed or am I wrong

 

[Seanwinder22]

What lights does he fit in the video does he mention this ? I’ve just been reading it is not so easy to just fit led headlights on a older model or change wires it’s to do with programming
So you should theoretically be able to change the configuration of your vehicle to accept LED headlamps. You would need to use the programming feature in AlfaOBD to change the content of the proxy file in the body computer and then perform a "proxy alignment" with the same software, which is a follow-up procedure that distributes the new proxy file to the other nodes on the vehicle that maintain copies of it, and ensures that the network configuration is correct.

So it’s not just a simple buy led headlights and re wire that bit isn’t happening then
I’ll stick with these low price ones

 

[Seanwinder22]

Can you tell me what he says from 19.00 to around 20.40 please he’s showing bracket and the tray
In video 2

 

[the green vanper]

Can you tell me what he says from 19.00 to around 20.40 please he’s showing bracket and the tray
In video 2

Around 19:10 with his finger he's showing first the hinge of the x250 bonnet and then he shows where it is located in the x290 (just by the wiper's axle).

Then at 19:20 he switches to the x290 to show the original setup (he owns several triplets, so he's able to compare directly). Around 19:30 he's taking out an extra plastic part with a hose to evacuate water from the plastic cover under the windshield. This part is also absent in the x250. He's explaining why it's needed (to evacuate water that will flow on the side of the plastic cover to the main hose). The water ingress into the engine bay was a huge problem in the x250. You can find numerous threads about it.

Then again at 20:30 he's coming back to the x250 to show how it is done in this model.

And goes back again to the x290 around 20:40.

It allows you to have a quick look at both in a short time.

 

[the green vanper]

What lights does he fit in the video does he mention this ? I’ve just been reading it is not so easy to just fit led headlights on a older model or change wires it’s to do with programming
So you should theoretically be able to change the configuration of your vehicle to accept LED headlamps. You would need to use the programming feature in AlfaOBD to change the content of the proxy file in the body computer and then perform a "proxy alignment" with the same software, which is a follow-up procedure that distributes the new proxy file to the other nodes on the vehicle that maintain copies of it, and ensures that the network configuration is correct.

So it’s not just a simple buy led headlights and re wire that bit isn’t happening then
I’ll stick with these low price ones

Yes, electronics is the most tricky thing to do in this modification. I haven't seen the part 3 of the video yet, but I can assume the BCM in the x250 and x290 are different. The headlights functions are changing. The DRLs were not present in the x250. I have no idea if the newer headlights can be added easily (I doubt it frankly speaking), but installing the headlights you have bought should be pretty easy. As I wrote before, you only need to rewire the DRLs from the headlights through a standard 5 pin relay as follows:

pin 30: + from the contact
pin 85: ground
pin 86: markers / side light +
pin 87: not connected
pin 87a: DRLs +

This way the DRLs should work as required by the law: should switch on when you turn the contact on and switch off when you turn on the markers (and low/high beam).

I don't know if it is possible to program the DRLs in the x250 BCM. For my, personally, the new full LED headlights would be the only advantage to make this mod.

 

[Seanwinder22]

Around 19:10 with his finger he's showing first the hinge of the x250 bonnet and then he shows where it is located in the x290 (just by the wiper's axle).

Then at 19:20 he switches to the x290 to show the original setup (he owns several triplets, so he's able to compare directly). Around 19:30 he's taking out an extra plastic part with a hose to evacuate water from the plastic cover under the windshield. This part is also absent in the x250. He's explaining why it's needed (to evacuate water that will flow on the side of the plastic cover to the main hose). The water ingress into the engine bay was a huge problem in the x250. You can find numerous threads about it.

Then again at 20:30 he's coming back to the x250 to show how it is done in this model.

And goes back again to the x290 around 20:40.

It allows you to have a quick look at both in a short time.

Thanks again
Yesterday I was at my friends farm he also has the x250 but his complete front end is off ready for the x290 going on
So I could look probably with scuttle tray off
I noticed in the area where the 2 new brackets need to go already in 2 sort of brackets and one for the wing

I’m now starting to re think why the guy in the video cut those off
Because it’s the perfect area
I lift the new bonnet in place to compare area and it’s the same

So a bracket can be bolted on this peg definitely…. It’s the area at the corner of the old scuttle tray that it sits on with a black sponge under it

So yes … I’m seeing this guy in video cut his old ones off and made new and started again
But if you have a bracket it could be adjusted on this area I mentioned surly

The more time I spent looking around I felt at ease mate - it’s not a difficult job at all this
But it is a little started from fresh cutting old off and making new and welding on definitely

 

[Seanwinder22]

I went to the scrapyard got these myself very cheap which in return saved us time making and welding
The easiest way to do this is cut this out neat leaving a plate
Then under my window scuttle tray area self tap and tiger seal these plates to the bulkhead will do the job no problem
Or a little spot weld what ever you fancy it’s only a hinge support

 

[Happydays2024]

I have just completed this convertion today what that video doesnt show is the fuse box also is in the wong place for the new head lights the bracket has to be cut and lowered .. the power steering & coolant bracket does mount up fine but leaves the ps hose to short also the water hose to short hope this helps

 

[the green vanper]

Congratulations!

How did you managed the DRLs?

 

[Seanwinder22]

I have just completed this convertion today what that video doesnt show is the fuse box also is in the wong place for the new head lights the bracket has to be cut and lowered .. the power steering & coolant bracket does mount up fine but leaves the ps hose to short also the water hose to short hope this helps

Great job they look brilliant
I’m actually still waiting on my facelift spayed black then it will be fitted
I have everything now including bulkhead bonnet brackets
I did get told the fuse box would need moving inward to the engine bay for the left hand side headlight
Can I ask . Did you buy the repair brace panels or take them off another van ?
And how did you go about the bonnet bracket ? Make them or buy like me

 

[Happydays2024]

Great job they look brilliant
I’m actually still waiting on my facelift spayed black then it will be fitted
I have everything now including bulkhead bonnet brackets
I did get told the fuse box would need moving inward to the engine bay for the left hand side headlight
Can I ask . Did you buy the repair brace panels or take them off another van ?
And how did you go about the bonnet bracket ? Make them or buy like me

Hi i cut the hole inner and outter wings off same with the bonnet hinge i drilled the spot welds and picked the hole mount off

 

[Seanwinder22]

Hi i cut the hole inner and outter wings off same with the bonnet hinge i drilled the spot welds and picked the hole mount off

So you bought the brackets instead of making them like he did ?
Did you spot weld them back on mate or ?

And what I meant about the repair plate did you buy new or take from a old van

 

[Seanwinder22]

Hi i cut the hole inner and outter wings off same with the bonnet hinge i drilled the spot welds and picked the hole mount off

Oh sorry I think I get what you mean
On your x250 you drilled the spot weld from the bonnet hinge bracket and removed them and changed location is that what you mean

 

[Happydays2024]

So you bought the brackets instead of making them like he did ?
Did you spot weld them back on mate or ?

And what I meant about the repair plate did you buy new or take from a old van

No i drilled the spot welds on the bonnet hinges off the x250 and then spot welded them back on to the other one same with the (repair) plate (outter wing) ill try get a few pics up