They're loudmouth morons, best to ignore them, i always ignore dickheads
Terrorist attack today in London
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Terrorist attack today in London
They're loudmouth morons, best to ignore them, i always ignore dickheads
We as a country have been ignoring them (the dickheads) for too long, to the point where they feel they can take it further and you can't ignore someone being stabbed.
We as a country are so frightened of offending anyone the radicals feel free to offend us every day, as they know there will be no redress.
its kicking off all over the country now
So our troops in Afghanistan don't **** them off at all? I'm not saying we shouldn't be there, but being there has its consequences...........
306maxi you need to give up as the saying goes Never argue with an idiot - they'll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
No, you're right. It's not like we're there to defend the Afghans is it?
Oh, wait... we are there as part of a NATO task force HELPING the Afghan Government(at their request), training their forces, helping police the country & generally keeping the population safe from the taliban loonies & their Al Qaeda pals.
@306maxi you need to give up as the saying goes Never argue with an idiot - they'll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
And this from a so-called educated person.
YOU came on here & reckoned you couldn't find ANY of the info we were talking about - despite there being millions of hits on google.
YOU called me a bigotted cab driver when YOU clearly displayed all the traits of being a bigot AND you can't even get your facts straight about my employment - since I have never said I am a taxi driver.
Seems to me that it is YOU that is the idiot
But the guy was English from Nigerian decent, probably couldn't even find Afghanistan on a map. If it had been an Afghan or of Afghan decent I could accept that argument.
I came on here just after the incident and said (at the time) "I can't find anything like this anywhere and currently non of the news outlets are reporting anything of the sort. They like to keep saying it's 'thought to be terror related' but no one is reporting anything related to any particular group or religion"
which at that time not everything was easily available, oh well deport me
as for the cab driver comment i said and I quote, "your ideas seem to be based on nothing more than the ramblings of a bigoted cab driver"*, and I stand by that.
you've said more than enough on this thread to back that up
lets look at your track record,
your idea to get people back into work and lower unemployment is to abolish the NHS
and so far in this thread you you want to abolish the European Convention on Human Rights (which the british essentially created) and deport british born people to terrorist states where our troops are trying to remove the terrorist element. :idea:
You sir well you are indeed a genius
*I still chuckle that you think I called you a cab driver, fortunately I can ignore your ramblings you clearly have no idea how the world works, or how to read what's been written
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Noooo, I said your ideas seem to be based on nothing more than the ramblings of a bigoted cab driver*, and I stand by that.
you've said more than enough on this thread to back that up
lets look at your track record,
your idea to get people back into work and lower unemployment is to abolish the NHS
and so far in this thread you you want to abolish the European Convention on Human Rights (which the british essentially created) and deport british born people to terrorist states where our troops are trying to remove the terrorist element. :idea:
You sir is indeed a genius
*I still chuckle that you think I called you a cab driver, fortunately I can ignore your ramblings you clearly have no idea how the world works, or how to read what's been written
Ahh, so you found the 'bigoted cab driver' quote yet conveniently miss out the part where I PROVED it was you who was the actual bigot
And, as I said at the time, what makes a cab driver's opinion worth less than anyone else's? Ar you the sort of person that looks down on others?I want to lower unemployment by abolishing the NHS. Really? Did I say that?
Do provide the actual quote.
As for abolishing European Convention on Human rights - again, where have I said I want to abolish it?
I think you will find that I only want to deport those people who actually hate it so much that they are a threat to the freedom of the many.
The charter on human rights is for everyone, you cannot or should not be allowed to dip in and out as you see fit.
"but no one is reporting anything related to any particular group or religion which at that time not everything was easily available, oh well deport me"
Yes, you really are being silly. And you couldn't find anything related to a particular group or religion? The news reported the bloke shouting Allahu Akbar and "we swear by almighty Allah that we will never stop fighting you" So that didn't alert you to any particular group or religion then?
"you sir is indeed a genius" And I'm chuckling that you call yourself an educated person yet come out with howlers like that.
And, talking of howlers, I forgot "The supposed attacker doesn't look like your typical Iraqi/afghan/Lebanese/Syrian and..."
as well as "it seems to be just two independent people acting on their own"
You've never heard of people converting to Islam & you really believe that terrorists go around in big groups?
Remember, those were YOUR quotes, I'm not taking random things you say & twisting them around to suit my needs.
And, best of all was your comment after the truthfrequencyradio...hoax website was linked to... "This raises many of the questions I have in the back of my mind. "
You seriously believe the media would transmit all that news without getting some sort of confirmation?
as well as "it seems to be just two independent people acting on their own"
You've never heard of people converting to Islam & you really believe that terrorists go around in big groups?
Remember, those were YOUR quotes, I'm not taking random things you say & twisting them around to suit my needs.
And, best of all was your comment after the truthfrequencyradio...hoax website was linked to... "This raises many of the questions I have in the back of my mind. "
You seriously believe the media would transmit all that news without getting some sort of confirmation?
What a coincidence, I've been playing with rabbits all day :devil:
Ahh, so you found the 'bigoted cab driver' quote yet conveniently miss out the part where I PROVED it was you who was the actual bigot
without dragging up an argument I have no interest in, no you failed to PROVE anything sorry,
And, as I said at the time, what makes a cab driver's opinion worth less than anyone else's? Ar you the sort of person that looks down on others?
I have a brother who is a cab driver but he's not a bigot, you see it is possible to be of a profession and be either a bigot or not a bigot, I just happened to use the analogy of a "bigoted cab driver" as I keep saying learn to read maybe have some common sense or at the very least think before you reply
I want to lower unemployment by abolishing the NHS. Really? Did I say that?
Do provide the actual quote.
had a look a back all I can conclude is that in a discussion about 'unemployed free loaders' your main contribution was to privatise the NHS and if we all stopped paying hundreds in NI contributions we all started paying £10 a month then the all the worlds problems would somehow be solved, to be honest I tried to make you see sense that your idea wouldn't work and had no basis but your views were too bigoted. if you want to carry on wiping that dead horse there is a whole thread dedicated to another of your idiotic rants about immigrants
As for abolishing European Convention on Human rights - again, where have I said I want to abolish it?
I think you will find that I only want to deport those people who actually hate it so much that they are a threat to the freedom of the many.
The charter on human rights is for everyone, you cannot or should not be allowed to dip in and out as you see fit.
This whole statement it a complete contradiction, you want to deport people who don't like the way the system is run, but not liking the way things are run is a fundamental right of the british public, thats why we have a right to protest, a right to free speech and a right to vote in a democratic political system. You want to pick and chose who we deport based on their beliefs even if they were born in this country, but you also now say that you can't dip in and out of the human rights laws as you wish....
And you couldn't find anything related to a particular group or religion? The news reported the bloke shouting Allahu Akbar and "we swear by almighty Allah that we will never stop fighting you" So that didn't alert you to any particular group or religion then?
at the time no, i couldn't, I wasn't watching the same news report as you obviously, seriously get over it, at the time I was watching BBC news 24 and they were being extremely careful not to use words that connected the attack with islam so things like "terrorist" and "Extremist" but not reporting anything about 'allahu akbar' or using the word "islamist"
"you sir is indeed a genius" And I'm chuckling that you call yourself an educated person yet come out with howlers like that. edited before you replied sorry for a small grammatical error, i'm sure you'll cope almighty gramma god :worship:
Now as I said to 306maxi he was better giving up than being dragged down to your level, it really would be idiotic to not heed my own advice, so I will leave you to carry on ranting and raving to someone who can be bothered to listen to your drivel :slayer:
Any chance we can put the hand bags down now?
"without dragging up an argument I have no interest in, no you failed to PROVE anything sorry, "
Really?
You can't even quote yourself accurately. You said "are your ideas based on anything other than the ramblings of a bigoted minicab driver? "
And not "seem to be based on"
And again, definition of bigot " a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong: "
You dismissed out of hand my mother's personal experiences (as well as my own and those of close family members currently working in the NHS (one is a manager of a group of surgeries, the other a midwife).
Yet say "my partner and I both work in health care and we've worked in hospitals both local and spread across the country, in every department from surgery and theatres to obstetrics and elderly medicine, we both trained at university and our peers are also spread to every corner of this land working in health care"
I've never visited Australia - but I know it's there because friends have told me they've been. Just because I have never been, doesn't make my friends liars or wrong in any way. The same way that because my experiences and those of my friends and family differ from those of you & yours.
Once again - proved my point.
Still not provided an actual quote where I say lower unemployment by abolishing the NHS then?
"you want to deport people who don't like the way the system is run, but not liking the way things are run is a fundamental right of the british public"
Again with the twisting of my words, I said "I only want to deport those people who actually hate it so much that they are a threat to the freedom of the many" NOT people who don't like how things are run.
"You want to pick and chose who we deport based on their beliefs even if they were born in this country,"
NO, YOU learn to read. "Deport people who are a threat to the freedom of the many" (obviously referring to terrorists seeing as that is the topic for discussion).
And yes, you cannot dip in and out of human rights as you wish. You cannot, on the one hand, go out murdering people at random (or plot to blow many people up) whilst, on the other hand, expect leniency on the grounds that it would otherwise infringe your human rights.
If you want to live in a civilised society, you have to abide by certain laws, cross the line (like these people are doing) and any entitlement to human rights should be waived.
"almighty gramma god" *grammar
"dragged down to your level...listen to your drivel" Again with the insults.
And BTW, I'm not saying anything - it's all written down (and you want me to take reading lessons
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@306maxi you need to give up as the saying goes Never argue with an idiot - they'll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Sure, when ONE of us decides they can add their twopenn'orth without slinging insults.
I don't agree or disagree with either of you, I just thought I'd post this interesting article based on my observations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Last_Word
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Last_Word
:devil:
I used to think that my Grandmother watching the Zeppelins bombing London in 1916 as a child and both Grandparents living through the Blitz in London; my parents being evacuated during the bombing and my Dad being with a US/British/Australian task force off the Korean Peninsula on the first day of the Korean War would make my life appear incredibly boring.
I said this to the old man one day and he said that there would be plenty of things to tell my kids (if I had any) when they were older.
I suppose he was right, but in a different way. I've been lucky enough not to live through a war on our own doorstep. I didn't have to endure the grinding poverty of my grandparents. But then ice on the inside of the windows of our house and an outside "Bog" loom large in my childhood. They do however pale into insignificance in comparison with what my forebears went through.
What I have lived through though is a remarkable change in the society I've lived in. It was only as I approached my teens did women start to have careers, rather than "a little job for the little woman". It gradually went from being common practice to slap a girl on the backside, and "Raped? Well, she probably asked for it", to sexual assault. When only the brightest went to Uni, none of my peers did; to almost everyone going and getting degrees in Media Studies, Tourism or Website Design; Nurses have become Medical Practitioners but seem to have lost the ability to check blood pressure or change a dressing.
One of the biggest changes is that of people who accept the benefits of a modern, largely secular society that defends their rights to freedom of expression and to practice their religion, yet use those very freedoms to deny them to others.
I'm not a religious expert by any means, but as far as I'm aware, there are 3 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They all started in the same geographical region, worship the same God and even have the same characters in the Torah/Bible/Koran. Joseph-Yusef for example. The Burning Bush appears in all 3 religions. And there are other similarities. Those between Judaism and Islam are closer still. Not eating pork or shellfish and slaughtering animals in a very similar manner.
The difficulty seems to be that whereas most of us in this country try and square away the differences between religion and the press. Generally speaking we are informed by the whole of information sources. The recent wave of Islamic extremists seem to form their opinions of the world based entirely on religious interpretation.
Even if you don't agree with the Allied presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, both countries needed change, and even if it (Iraq anyway) would have shown a benefit to Europe and the US, that change would have also made life in those countries immeasurably better.
I'm absolutely convinced that there have been far, far more Muslims killed by other Muslims than Britain and the US have been responsible for, yet suicide bombers in Pakistan, corruption in Afghanistan and even the Syrian Civil War has been blamed on "The West". Hezbollah seem to have joined the Syrian military in fighting the FSA. In The Times last week there was an article about Lebanese Hezbollah in Syria. One of their commanders was asked how he felt about fighting and killing other Muslims. He said that it didn't bother him as Hezbollah were Shi'ite and Assad was an Alawite, which is an offshoot of Shi'ism but the rebels were from the majority Sunni faction. He further stated that the rebels didn't really want to fight other Muslims but were paid and corrupted by Israel, the US and NATO.
It's similar with the subject of the Crusaders. Islamists claim they are fighting the "West" to defend Islam, yet the Crusaders who they denigrate went to the region to defend theirs against the advance of Islam. In their view, it's ok to protect their way of life from the Infidels, but not ok for us to defend ours.
If you accept, for whatever reason, that modern armed forces such as NATO have developed weapons that are more and more effective and efficient, then the upside of that is a reduction in collateral damage. In comparison with a car bomb in a market, or a rucksack on a bus they couldn't really be much more diametrically opposed and still be a form of weapon. The IED is designed to cause as much damage as possible to innocent bystanders whereas modern guided munitions such as the JDAM bombs are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible.
Although it sounds like some kind of skinhead rhetoric, people have been leaving a country they don't like for another one for centuries. Sometimes they don't like their new home and will return, or move onto another state. Unfortunately, to Muslims, a country more to their liking is likely to be an Islamic one with very poor housing, healthcare and plenty of corruption. One where ethnic violence is an everyday hazard and life expectancy is far shorter than our own. Instead they are trying to change our society.
For me, anyone who tries to tell me I should come round to their way of thinking and their chosen method of conversion is to kill me then that's a belief I'll fight with very bone in my body.
So in my uneventful life there's been a reduction in racial, sexual and sexuality discrmination. There are no signs on hotel window saying "No dogs, no blacks". Women are closer in income parity than ever before, and hopefully it won't be long before that's achieved. No-one goes round talking about "Puffs, Queers, Shirt lifters and T**d burglers" anymore. The disabled are no longer referred to as a "Spaz" and those with Down's Syndrome as "Mongs". We don't call people "Nig-nogs or Wogs or Fuzzy-Wuzzies" anymore, and I for one am glad about that. Paraplegics used to be grateful for those hideous blue one person Invalid Carriages, or Spack Chariots as they were charmingly known. Now they are given a car, or a financial contribution towards one that allows them a degree of dignity without them being a victim of ridicule Those are all things that people in my lifetime have achieved and I'm damned if I want to see us put back 40 or 50 or even 100 years.
Right, rant over, think it's about time I went to bed so, without further adoo, I'll zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I said this to the old man one day and he said that there would be plenty of things to tell my kids (if I had any) when they were older.
I suppose he was right, but in a different way. I've been lucky enough not to live through a war on our own doorstep. I didn't have to endure the grinding poverty of my grandparents. But then ice on the inside of the windows of our house and an outside "Bog" loom large in my childhood. They do however pale into insignificance in comparison with what my forebears went through.
What I have lived through though is a remarkable change in the society I've lived in. It was only as I approached my teens did women start to have careers, rather than "a little job for the little woman". It gradually went from being common practice to slap a girl on the backside, and "Raped? Well, she probably asked for it", to sexual assault. When only the brightest went to Uni, none of my peers did; to almost everyone going and getting degrees in Media Studies, Tourism or Website Design; Nurses have become Medical Practitioners but seem to have lost the ability to check blood pressure or change a dressing.
One of the biggest changes is that of people who accept the benefits of a modern, largely secular society that defends their rights to freedom of expression and to practice their religion, yet use those very freedoms to deny them to others.
I'm not a religious expert by any means, but as far as I'm aware, there are 3 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They all started in the same geographical region, worship the same God and even have the same characters in the Torah/Bible/Koran. Joseph-Yusef for example. The Burning Bush appears in all 3 religions. And there are other similarities. Those between Judaism and Islam are closer still. Not eating pork or shellfish and slaughtering animals in a very similar manner.
The difficulty seems to be that whereas most of us in this country try and square away the differences between religion and the press. Generally speaking we are informed by the whole of information sources. The recent wave of Islamic extremists seem to form their opinions of the world based entirely on religious interpretation.
Even if you don't agree with the Allied presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, both countries needed change, and even if it (Iraq anyway) would have shown a benefit to Europe and the US, that change would have also made life in those countries immeasurably better.
I'm absolutely convinced that there have been far, far more Muslims killed by other Muslims than Britain and the US have been responsible for, yet suicide bombers in Pakistan, corruption in Afghanistan and even the Syrian Civil War has been blamed on "The West". Hezbollah seem to have joined the Syrian military in fighting the FSA. In The Times last week there was an article about Lebanese Hezbollah in Syria. One of their commanders was asked how he felt about fighting and killing other Muslims. He said that it didn't bother him as Hezbollah were Shi'ite and Assad was an Alawite, which is an offshoot of Shi'ism but the rebels were from the majority Sunni faction. He further stated that the rebels didn't really want to fight other Muslims but were paid and corrupted by Israel, the US and NATO.
It's similar with the subject of the Crusaders. Islamists claim they are fighting the "West" to defend Islam, yet the Crusaders who they denigrate went to the region to defend theirs against the advance of Islam. In their view, it's ok to protect their way of life from the Infidels, but not ok for us to defend ours.
If you accept, for whatever reason, that modern armed forces such as NATO have developed weapons that are more and more effective and efficient, then the upside of that is a reduction in collateral damage. In comparison with a car bomb in a market, or a rucksack on a bus they couldn't really be much more diametrically opposed and still be a form of weapon. The IED is designed to cause as much damage as possible to innocent bystanders whereas modern guided munitions such as the JDAM bombs are designed to cause as little collateral damage as possible.
Although it sounds like some kind of skinhead rhetoric, people have been leaving a country they don't like for another one for centuries. Sometimes they don't like their new home and will return, or move onto another state. Unfortunately, to Muslims, a country more to their liking is likely to be an Islamic one with very poor housing, healthcare and plenty of corruption. One where ethnic violence is an everyday hazard and life expectancy is far shorter than our own. Instead they are trying to change our society.
For me, anyone who tries to tell me I should come round to their way of thinking and their chosen method of conversion is to kill me then that's a belief I'll fight with very bone in my body.
So in my uneventful life there's been a reduction in racial, sexual and sexuality discrmination. There are no signs on hotel window saying "No dogs, no blacks". Women are closer in income parity than ever before, and hopefully it won't be long before that's achieved. No-one goes round talking about "Puffs, Queers, Shirt lifters and T**d burglers" anymore. The disabled are no longer referred to as a "Spaz" and those with Down's Syndrome as "Mongs". We don't call people "Nig-nogs or Wogs or Fuzzy-Wuzzies" anymore, and I for one am glad about that. Paraplegics used to be grateful for those hideous blue one person Invalid Carriages, or Spack Chariots as they were charmingly known. Now they are given a car, or a financial contribution towards one that allows them a degree of dignity without them being a victim of ridicule Those are all things that people in my lifetime have achieved and I'm damned if I want to see us put back 40 or 50 or even 100 years.
Right, rant over, think it's about time I went to bed so, without further adoo, I'll zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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