Tuning Fiat Punto 1.2 16V 85BHP - Need More

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Tuning Fiat Punto 1.2 16V 85BHP - Need More

Jonathan McGhee

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Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know of any good mods i can do to get more BHP, already got a pipercross viper induction kit going on it tomorrow.

thanks
 
@john Unless you want to spend a couple grand on the engine, there's is absolutely sod all point. You could get away with cams, induction, exhasut and a re-map but that is the bare minimum. Anything else with just harm performance. If you change the stock intake only, chances are you will loose torque at the bottom end. Want more power on the cheap, buy a GT. NA tuning is expensive.

Rough costs:

Port & polish (done properly): £750 (I was quoted this for a C20XE head recently)
Cams (Piper BP270): £210 re-profiled
1.6 Brava Throttle body: £40 from a scrappy
GSR induction: £180?
Stainless manifold: £3-400
Sports cat: £2-300
Cat-back exhaust: £200
Proper re-map: £400

You could also investigate a custom fuel rail to allow bigger injectors and an FPR - £1-150 + £2-300 for the injectors.

To go further, forged pistons £500+, forged rods £700+ not sure how much it is to lighten/balance the bottom end but say a few hundred to be on the safe side.

Oh and let's not forget brake and suspension upgrades, say £1500?

Of course, by this point it's prolly best to go with standalone management, say £200 for the loom and £700 for the ECU and again, about £400 to remap properly - always best done on an engine dyno too.

@dave, who does the re-maps? Are they proper live remaps? Or do they just load a map on?
 
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Cheers Guys, After fitting the Pipercross kit i have found that the engine now performs alot better at higher revs compared to the old K&N i had, will a bigger throttle body make alot of difference.

thanks
 
Get one of the books by David Vizard (Google him). He doesn't cover Fiats (as far as I know) but read his stuff and you'll learn all you need to know for tuning any engine. gas flow, exhausts carbs/throttle bodies the compromises you'll have to make (bigger isnt always better), etc.

The BL A-Series is especially good.
 
Cheers Guys, After fitting the Pipercross kit i have found that the engine now performs alot better at higher revs compared to the old K&N i had, will a bigger throttle body make alot of difference.

thanks

No, it WILL make it more gutless at lower revs.
 
Cheers Guys, After fitting the Pipercross kit i have found that the engine now performs alot better at higher revs compared to the old K&N i had, will a bigger throttle body make alot of difference.

thanks

Is that the Pipercross Viper enclosed induction kit?

EDIT: Stupid question, just read an earlier post, it is a Viper. The problem with many induction kits for the Puntos is that the air intake is usually mounted at a sub-optimal position. With an enclosed kit, this is not an issue.
 
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The V8 books might be less useful. The BL Mini A-Series covers a lot.

Vizard was the first person to use an airflow bench to design and modify cylinder head ports. He found the shelf cast into Mini heads that sort of supports the valve guide is actually worth keeping if you want top economy, but best removed for power. On the exhaust side just grind it out. He also proved that only the most souped up racer needs the largest port size. When opened right out he actually got a big drop in the mid range.

All this was on a 850/997/998/1100/1275 pushrod engine with 5 ports all on one side of the head. The inlets have 2 ports that split to cylinders 1/2 and 3/4. The middle (2/3) exhaust ports merge within the head. He was getting crazy power from these and pretty much showed the (then) state of the art crossflow heads were not adding very much (apart from expense).
 
Actually, we've missed something here. The easiest way to get a large horsepower gain is to sell the 1.2 16V, and get a Punto GT. That's a gain of 45 BHP right there. Now GTs don't have the best reliability record, but it should be considerably better than a 1.2 16V tuned to 130 BHP. Plus you will have the brakes, suspension and uprated roll-bars to deal with that power.
 
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