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What I forgot to say. After allowing the car to sit with the hub turning for 5 minutes, all manner of warning lights and messages. ABS unavailable, Power Steering fault , refer to hand book, warning, engine power warning and EML lit up too. EBD Iight on and all the trip computer data at zero. So dont get stuck in mud or on snow and ice and have 1 wheel spinning or its a £160 trip to the dealers for YOU.
The computer being zero'd worried me a bit. Had something shorted???
Nah just Fiats computerybolllocks. I connected MES and cleared the idiotic faults. Whoopee thecomputer data is all back. Brake faults recurred on touching the footbrake but went after a restart!

What was this nonsense? No sensors touched, no wires disturbed?? Compter at zero then previous data reinstated on fault clearance??? Its all cobblers, unnecessary and uneeicome electronic interferance. Yet again MES paid for itself. This must be 10 times over!

Oh and by the bye, on this 2014 1.2 lounge ABS can be seen and adjusted with MES with just the elm327 lead. No adapters needed.
Re the ABS light issue I have often found this on many different vehicle makes when servicing and engine running if wheel free, off the ground/road, even idling in neutral one wheel may turn and that triggers an ABS fault. Say for instance running engine to check for oil leaks etc. after oil change, but car still with wheels off the ground, they only need to turn a little.
Normally a few yards up the road and it corrects it's self without and error code deleting.:)
 
Is this not TCS?

Most none performance cars it should be go off with the button but will come on if wheel speed goes above about 30 mph as it's only off to allow "rocking" if the car is stuck.
I don't think i have any control over traction control being on or off. Mind you, I'm still learning stuff about the car (Scala) almost every day. There's too much s**t like this in modern cars.
 
My Mondeo used to generate an ABS error during MOTs, when it was left idling in neutral wheelsfree on the ramp. Apparently its "normal" for that generation of Powershift gearboxes, as they gently spin the wheels when unloaded. The computer eventually decides something is not normal and flashes up an ABS warning.
It always disappeared after a restart once the wheels were back on the ground, just in time for the brake test.
Later ones don't seem to do it, so perhaps Ford tweaked the ABS computer to ignore it?
 
Re the ABS light issue I have often found this on many different vehicle makes when servicing and engine running if wheel free, off the ground/road, even idling in neutral one wheel may turn and that triggers an ABS fault. Say for instance running engine to check for oil leaks etc. after oil change, but car still with wheels off the ground, they only need to turn a little.
Normally a few yards up the road and it corrects it's self without and error code deleting.:)
I did think of trying that. Weird it zero'd the trip, clock and MPG but reset them after..."Being Told!"
 
I don't think i have any control over traction control being on or off. Mind you, I'm still learning stuff about the car (Scala) almost every day. There's too much s**t like this in modern cars.
It took me years to get cadence braking to be instinctive. It takes nerve to release the brakes when it seems terminal. I reckon its as good as ABS if its just having over cooked it on a dry road, but in geasy conditions give me ABS. THe big trouble is ABS totaly removes the understanding of the available grip and numbs the driving experience. My kids have little understanding of this. They did at least get a few milesof experience of pre ABS days but not enough. Cadence braking saved my bacon on at least one occasion. I actuallu stopeed and reversed out of danger. The other car would never have stopped. I remember how grateful thatdriver was not to be picking up pieces! There is far too much of this stuff I agree. It makes it vastly more difficult when things malfunction.
 
I would target the tonnes of aviation fuel burnt that is tax free first.;)
It seems we (Govt.) really couldnt really care less aboiut pollution, health or the environment and couldnt be arsed to do something that would actually make a difference. ANd I speak as one with a son overseas that I care to visit when I can. I do howover agree with you totally.
 
I don't think i have any control over traction control being on or off. Mind you, I'm still learning stuff about the car (Scala) almost every day. There's too much s**t like this in modern cars.

I feel as though VW group have waged about a 20 year campaign at this point to make life difficult for people who buy their cars which has ended with them no longer profitable and their cars being the most annoying on the market from both a fixing them and living with them point of view.

Here's the centre console on the Toyota...
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I do not need to explain to anyone what any of the things in shot do...it's obvious.

The equivalent Seat...well it doesn't need explaining but there's definitely 3 things missing well 4 if you count the bus mans mirror... because who would want to see what the kids in the back were up to in an estate car.. what madness is that?

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It took me years to get cadence braking to be instinctive. It takes nerve to release the brakes when it seems terminal. I reckon its as good as ABS if its just having over cooked it on a dry road, but in geasy conditions give me ABS. THe big trouble is ABS totaly removes the understanding of the available grip and numbs the driving experience. My kids have little understanding of this. They did at least get a few milesof experience of pre ABS days but not enough. Cadence braking saved my bacon on at least one occasion. I actuallu stopeed and reversed out of danger. The other car would never have stopped. I remember how grateful thatdriver was not to be picking up pieces! There is far too much of this stuff I agree. It makes it vastly more difficult when things malfunction.
In the round and in most conditions and situations ABS is undoubtedly a great thing for the averagely competent - and not so competent - driver. In my opinion they've not come up with anything better yet but it's by no means the perfect answer for all conditions and still allows the "idiot" to get themselves, and potentially other poor sods, into a right "pickle".

Under normal conditions and driving "sensibly" the modern car is really a very nice place to be. A lengthy drive, like our journeys down to Devon etc, are quite restful compared to the old cars. However the degree of insulation from what's actually going on between the tyres and road surface is the price you pay. Modern electric steering is probably the worst as I find it very "dead" feeling and if/when reasonable limits are exceeded ABS, power steering, traction control and others rob you of the ability to input corrective control. The power steering tends to eliminate so much feel you don't know when the tyres are gripping or feel where the wheels are pointing. Being able to apply a lot of power and promote a slide is, in certain conditions highly desirable - Traction control and adaptive braking puts paid to that. I could go on. Of course it's only if you have the skill to control a car which is starting to "get away" from you that it's of any consequence - a skill that I learned ragging old cars and the estate van round the fields as soon as I could reach the pedals properly. Then went on to do a couple of years of club rallying and local hillclimb/sprinting. My sense of self preservation made me uncompetitive so I gave up driving myself when I realized I was never going to get anywhere and ran out of money, but had a great time while it lasted.

One of the biggest problems with all this electronics is that there are not that many mechanics who fully understand it. Most rely on the diagnostic equipment prescribing what any given problem is. If the "computer" doesn't throw up a diagnosis many folk are lost, and this is often where it all starts unraveling for the customer "Well sir/madam, we've put it on the diagnostic machine but there's no fault showing/logged so there's not much we can do!" (except relieve you of a couple of hundred pounds for the privilege of having plugged it into the machine!) This is where experience comes in where the skilled man will remember having come across a similar problem on another vehicle (many of these components, Oxygen sensors, temperature sensors, MAP sensors and others behave in a similar way regardless of what engine they are fitted to) which will help him track it down. Then again the inexperienced worker will do what the diagnostic machine flags up as being the problem without thinking about it first. For instance the machine may flag up a sensor problem whereupon the inexperienced person will replace the sensor which may not cure the fault. The more experienced man will perhaps check all connections in that circuit (plugs etc) and maybe do some continuity checking of the relevant loom before starting to replace component parts. Back probes and wire piercers, which you can make for yourself, are a great addition to your tool kit.
 
It seems we (Govt.) really couldnt really care less aboiut pollution, health or the environment and couldnt be arsed to do something that would actually make a difference. ANd I speak as one with a son overseas that I care to visit when I can. I do howover agree with you totally.
Mike commented on this earlier and then you here. The feelings of guilt in me over this particular issue are growing stronger all the time. I'm increasingly feeling that we just don't need to be flying off in our millions to these exotic locations and poisoning the planet. I'm a lone voice in our house though what with my sister living in the States and Mrs J pretty much living for her yearly holiday. I, on the other hand, actually like being at home, going for local walks and fiddling away in my garden. Of course there's a lot of other things we could stop doing too, but the whole holiday flying thing just seems so indulgent given the damage it causes. I was surprised to hear of the airport extensions recently proposed - of course that's all to do with making more money and it seems that anything which comes under that heading with our government is just fine. Never mind Jock, you've only a few more years to put in and none of it's going to impact too greatly on you. I suppose that, in the grand scheme of things, what does any of it matter because none of it will when the sun goes super nova? Or will we invent FTL and move on to another planet/solar system/galaxy? Still no escape though because ultimately it's all going to go black and very very cold - end off! All of which beggars the question "What's it all about?" I don't know, do any of you?
 
I feel as though VW group have waged about a 20 year campaign at this point to make life difficult for people who buy their cars which has ended with them no longer profitable and their cars being the most annoying on the market from both a fixing them and living with them point of view.

Here's the centre console on the Toyota...View attachment 462476

I do not need to explain to anyone what any of the things in shot do...it's obvious.
My golf looks a lot like that except the buttons are in front of the gear stick with the addition of a button to turn off the parking sensors. And the spacer between the cup holders is a very useful bottle opener.

The vast majority of of VAG cars follow a very similar layout with the only recent changes being to an electric parking brake
 
Mike commented on this earlier and then you here. The feelings of guilt in me over this particular issue are growing stronger all the time. I'm increasingly feeling that we just don't need to be flying off in our millions to these exotic locations and poisoning the planet. I'm a lone voice in our house though what with my sister living in the States and Mrs J pretty much living for her yearly holiday. I, on the other hand, actually like being at home, going for local walks and fiddling away in my garden. Of course there's a lot of other things we could stop doing too, but the whole holiday flying thing just seems so indulgent given the damage it causes. I was surprised to hear of the airport extensions recently proposed - of course that's all to do with making more money and it seems that anything which comes under that heading with our government is just fine. Never mind Jock, you've only a few more years to put in and none of it's going to impact too greatly on you. I suppose that, in the grand scheme of things, what does any of it matter because none of it will when the sun goes super nova? Or will we invent FTL and move on to another planet/solar system/galaxy? Still no escape though because ultimately it's all going to go black and very very cold - end off! All of which beggars the question "What's it all about?" I don't know, do any of you?
Nope. I suppose we should try and enhance while we enjoy. The number of recent plane crashes puts me off flying even more. I expect I will do it at least once more though.
 
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My golf looks a lot like that except the buttons are in front of the gear stick with the addition of a button to turn off the parking sensors. And the spacer between the cup holders is a very useful bottle opener.

The vast majority of of VAG cars follow a very similar layout with the only recent changes being to an electric parking brake

I suppose the point is...on yours and mine they are a button.

On that Seat it's probably hidden 3 levels deep in the Touchscreen...on the latest Seat the heating controls have also disappeared as well...

None of this is necessarily a deal breaker on it, it just adds up into a frustrating car.
 
On that Seat it's probably hidden 3 levels deep in the Touchscreen...on the latest Seat the heating controls have also disappeared as well...

None of this is necessarily a deal breaker on it, it just adds up into a frustrating car.
Just discovered, yes, on the Scala it's on the "infotainment" screen and buried away in a page I'd not looked at yet! Probably so you don't mess with it unless you are very determined. Bet you it defaults to "on" every time you turn the key?

Edit. Very glad to report that my Scala has standard air con with manual nobs in the middle of the dash, Yes! Oh, and it's got a manual handbrake lever between the seats, hurrah!
 
Just discovered, yes, on the Scala it's on the "infotainment" screen and buried away in a page I'd not looked at yet! Probably so you don't mess with it unless you are very determined. Bet you it defaults to "on" every time you turn the key?

Edit. Very glad to report that my Scala has standard air con with manual nobs in the middle of the dash, Yes! Oh, and it's got a manual handbrake lever between the seats, hurrah!

I think most automatically come back on if you exceed 30mph nevermind switch the car off. The Citroën one definitely does, the Toyota one the button doesn't work to switch it off above 30mph so I assume it probably does.

Edit: just got the instructions out...oh lawd hold the button for three seconds while the handbrake is on and it all goes off. Clicking it just switches off tcs which switches back on. But due to being pre 2017 I've got...track day mode 🤣

The Traction control is mandated by EU law along with all the other stability things. Think the only cars off is actually off are things the Civic type R etc.

Otherwise it's literally there so if the car is stuck in snow or mud you can get a little bit of wheel speed to rock it out without the TCS jamming the brakes on. But if you were to be doing what you were trying to do with the old Seat it should cut enough slack for that.

I did look at various VW group estates...the issue had was the Fabia was too small and the Octavia was too big but the Skoda's tend to be less fashion lead and more practical. I was looking at the Leon, they are nice but one didn't come up with the spec I wanted at the time. I wanted an old one so it would have heating controls and also avoid the latest generation of VW software. However a face lift 1.4 never came up at a reasonable number.
 
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I think most automatically come back on if you exceed 30mph nevermind switch the car off. The Citroën one definitely does, the Toyota one the button doesn't work to switch it off above 30mph so I assume it probably does.

Edit: just got the instructions out...oh lawd hold the button for three seconds while the handbrake is on and it all goes off. Clicking it just switches of tcs which switches back on Just what you need...track day mode 🤣

The Traction control is mandated by EU law along with all the other stability things. Think the only cars off is actually off are things the Civic type R etc.

Otherwise it's literally there so if the car is stuck in snow or mud you can get a little bit of wheel speed to rock it out without the TCS jamming the brakes on. But if you were to be doing what you were trying to do with the old Seat it should cut enough slack for that.

I did look at various VW group estates...the issue had was the Fabia was too small and the Octavia was too big but the Skoda's tend to be less fashion lead and more practical. I was looking at the Leon, they are nice but one didn't come up with the spec I wanted at the time. I wanted an old one so it would have heating controls and also avoid the latest generation of VW software. However a face lift 1.4 never came up at a reasonable number.
One thing I'm very glad about with the Scala is that lane keeping assist is super easy to cancel - right hand pad on the steering wheel. Press the top left control which selects the driver assist menu on the wee screen between the speedo and rev counter. The top listing is the lane assist so already selected and you cancel it by "confirming" with the scroll roller on the same right hand steering wheel pad. Super easy and just takes a second or two to do. The other driver aids I'm probably just as well leaving them on as I'm just bumbling along with the general flow of traffic these days. One thing I'm pleased about is the emergency brake assist which doesn't seem to be too aggressive. In fact it's only kicked in once so far when it thought I was trying to drive through the fence at my brothers work premises - it clapped them on so hard and fast it gave me a fair shock. When I got out and took a look there is in fact a very high kerb in front of the fence which I hadn't noticed as it is half covered in long grass. It must have picked up on this and clapped the anchors on - good thing too as it would have damaged the front lower skirt on the front panel (hesitate to call it a bumper these days?)
 
I had "fun" with a similar situation with the brake assistance in a mk6 golf with a large patch of dandelions. The emergency brake assistance did ensure I could not run it over to leave a driveway.

Didn't save it though given I had to kick the patch of dandelions to death before the car would allow me to leave..

To be fair I probably looked like I was having a Basil Fawlty moment.
 
One thing I'm very glad about with the Scala is that lane keeping assist is super easy to cancel - right hand pad on the steering wheel. Press the top left control which selects the driver assist menu on the wee screen between the speedo and rev counter. The top listing is the lane assist so already selected and you cancel it by "confirming" with the scroll roller on the same right hand steering wheel pad. Super easy and just takes a second or two to do. The other driver aids I'm probably just as well leaving them on as I'm just bumbling along with the general flow of traffic these days. One thing I'm pleased about is the emergency brake assist which doesn't seem to be too aggressive. In fact it's only kicked in once so far when it thought I was trying to drive through the fence at my brothers work premises - it clapped them on so hard and fast it gave me a fair shock. When I got out and took a look there is in fact a very high kerb in front of the fence which I hadn't noticed as it is half covered in long grass. It must have picked up on this and clapped the anchors on - good thing too as it would have damaged the front lower skirt on the front panel (hesitate to call it a bumper these days?)
My son just picked up a new Audi Q6 etron. It seems to have a pile of stuff he likes, and I dont so much. Lane assist puts a red line up the screen of you start to stray near the line for the next lane, get too close to the car in front and red arrows appear between you and it, and if you pass a speed limit change the speed sign arcs across the screen. Apparently there is more... 30 years ago, I might have liked this stuff, now I just find it very distracting and unecessary. He as a younger chap loves it all. Pandas on the top! He tells me a good head up display is a step forward. I wouldn't mind trying it and seeing for myself.
 
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