Technical Clutch pedal interrmittently sticking to the floor

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Technical Clutch pedal interrmittently sticking to the floor

Thank you to everyone for replies

At the weekend I added some silicone grease and I cannot get it to stick anymore so it seems to confirm the like problem is with the slave.

I will order one shortly and fit it - it seems quite straightforward to do

I hope the garage might have been wrong to diagnose a full clutch needed and a "little" excessive at 700Eur too.

One last request for opinion - I rang another garage for pricing for a clutch and explained the symptoms - he stated that often the clutch being heavy will cause the slave cylinder failure and perhaps a new clutch is needed - any opinions? or was he just trying to get some business?

Thanks again
Diaphragm spring clutches - which are the most common these days - do tend to get heavier to operate as the friction lining wears. This is because, when new, the dish shaped diaphragm is almost flat at rest so takes little force to depress. As the linings wear the diaphragm becomes more dished when at rest and takes more effort to "straighten out". It's difficult to ascertain whether a clutch is "heavy" or not unless you're driving a number of different examples of any given car because the clutch wears very slowly so, if you're the driver of just that vehicle, you get used to it getting slowly heavier as the years roll by. It's pointless to try comparing it with another make or model of vehicle as clutches do tend to vary in how much effort it takes to operate - For instance, my old diesel SEAT had a secondary "helper" spring on the clutch pedal which, due to an "over centre" operating mechanism, came into operation once the pedal had been depressed a wee bit, helped you to push the pedal down. A clever idea but, if you were dismantling the pedal cluster - as I had to do to weld up a crack in the pedal - it was a pure sod to get back into place as it was a very strong spring which had to be partially depressed to fit. The point is that without the "helper" spring the pedal was excessively heavy to depress which, had the spring broken or malfunctioned, you'd be tempted to diagnose as a worn driven plate or some other internal clutch part and set about taking the gearbox out to check! Because this slave cylinder problem is so common on our particular model with the wee FIRE engines I'd try a slave cylinder almost without giving it too much thought.
 
Thank you to everyone for replies

At the weekend I added some silicone grease and I cannot get it to stick anymore so it seems to confirm the like problem is with the slave.

I will order one shortly and fit it - it seems quite straightforward to do

I hope the garage might have been wrong to diagnose a full clutch needed and a "little" excessive at 700Eur too.

One last request for opinion - I rang another garage for pricing for a clutch and explained the symptoms - he stated that often the clutch being heavy will cause the slave cylinder failure and perhaps a new clutch is needed - any opinions? or was he just trying to get some business?

Thanks again
Clutch heavy, is a symptom of a worn out clutch

Not it does not cause the slave to stick, they are seperate faults, this is due to the nylon piston going dry and sticking in the cylinder

There two seperate symptoms and causes, both very common
 
Clutch heavy, is a symptom of a worn out clutch

Not it does not cause the slave to stick, they are seperate faults, this is due to the nylon piston going dry and sticking in the cylinder

There two seperate symptoms and causes, both very common
Aye. With the OP's symptoms I think a new slave is most likely to solve it.
 
Thank you to everyone for replies

At the weekend I added some silicone grease and I cannot get it to stick anymore so it seems to confirm the like problem is with the slave.

I will order one shortly and fit it - it seems quite straightforward to do

I hope the garage might have been wrong to diagnose a full clutch needed and a "little" excessive at 700Eur too.

One last request for opinion - I rang another garage for pricing for a clutch and explained the symptoms - he stated that often the clutch being heavy will cause the slave cylinder failure and perhaps a new clutch is needed - any opinions? or was he just trying to get some business?

Thanks again
Ive not heard this before. May have some truth but I am not convinced.
 
Ive not heard this before. May have some truth but I am not convinced.
I can understand that a very worn driven plate (linings), because it causes the diaphragm in the cover to go over centre and therefore require more pressure to depress, will need you to press down on the pedal with greater force and so therefore create more pressure in the fluid and hence exert more force on the seals in both master and slave cylinder. Long term I suppose this might cause a seal to wear and leak but not cause the piston sticking problem our wee cars suffer with? My Youngest boy's wife has a Mazda 2 with a very similar setup re the clutch hydraulics - that is to say a hydraulic clutch with an externally mounted slave cylinder as found in the Fire engine. About 2 years ago I noticed the clutch pedal was starting to feel heavier than normal and warned her to start saving up for a new clutch. It's slowly got heavier and heavier and now, in addition to the "silly" amount of effort needed to push the pedal down, the bite point is only just clear of the floor. I find the car very difficult to drive smoothly and I fear the clutch will fail completely very soon - She seems oblivious to it, not helped by Mrs J expressing the opinion that "Jock worries about these things too much". However, despite the pedal requiring an athlete's muscles in your left leg, the slave shows no signs of leaking or sticking.
 
I can understand that a very worn driven plate (linings), because it causes the diaphragm in the cover to go over centre and therefore require more pressure to depress, will need you to press down on the pedal with greater force and so therefore create more pressure in the fluid and hence exert more force on the seals in both master and slave cylinder. Long term I suppose this might cause a seal to wear and leak but not cause the piston sticking problem our wee cars suffer with? My Youngest boy's wife has a Mazda 2 with a very similar setup re the clutch hydraulics - that is to say a hydraulic clutch with an externally mounted slave cylinder as found in the Fire engine. About 2 years ago I noticed the clutch pedal was starting to feel heavier than normal and warned her to start saving up for a new clutch. It's slowly got heavier and heavier and now, in addition to the "silly" amount of effort needed to push the pedal down, the bite point is only just clear of the floor. I find the car very difficult to drive smoothly and I fear the clutch will fail completely very soon - She seems oblivious to it, not helped by Mrs J expressing the opinion that "Jock worries about these things too much". However, despite the pedal requiring an athlete's muscles in your left leg, the slave shows no signs of leaking or sticking.
I agree, I may have mentioned in the past a mechanic friend who called me in desperation after fitting and breaking two new clutch cables on a Peugeot , the problem was a large wear groove in the clutch diaphragm plate caused a owner resting their foot on the clutch pedal.
In the end I sprayed oil through the clutch lever hole and worked the lever as he pressed the pedal several times, this was a temporary fix until a new clutch was fitted.
Coincidentally I have just taken the gearbox out of a Vauxhall Combo 1.3mj (Fiat Doblo) clutch was working fine but syncros shot in gearbox and now find I need to fit a new clutch as well as the fingers are worn right away and starting to bend.
Regretted starting the job as too old for all the lifting, so this adds to the regret.:(
 
I agree, I may have mentioned in the past a mechanic friend who called me in desperation after fitting and breaking two new clutch cables on a Peugeot , the problem was a large wear groove in the clutch diaphragm plate caused a owner resting their foot on the clutch pedal.
In the end I sprayed oil through the clutch lever hole and worked the lever as he pressed the pedal several times, this was a temporary fix until a new clutch was fitted.
Coincidentally I have just taken the gearbox out of a Vauxhall Combo 1.3mj (Fiat Doblo) clutch was working fine but syncros shot in gearbox and now find I need to fit a new clutch as well as the fingers are worn right away and starting to bend.
Regretted starting the job as too old for all the lifting, so this adds to the regret.:(
Aye Mike, It's a bummer when you start to be limited by old age! Just in this last year I've finally accepted that my body just can't do the more physically challenging stuff and lifting gearboxes down, and back up again, lying on my back in the driveway is certainly one of them. A couple of years ago I tore both of my bicep muscles tossing my granddaughter up in the air - boy that hurt! Mrs J gets very cross with me and points out how I'm going to be 80 in a couple of years and have two replacement knees and a hip. She doesn't know any of our friends who try to do stuff like this at our age - just makes me more defiant though! Have you noticed that so often what started out as a job you were confident you knew what was going to be involved "morphs" into the job from hell with other related or unrelated things found which have to be done to rectify the original problem.
 
Aye Mike, It's a bummer when you start to be limited by old age! Just in this last year I've finally accepted that my body just can't do the more physically challenging stuff and lifting gearboxes down, and back up again, lying on my back in the driveway is certainly one of them. A couple of years ago I tore both of my bicep muscles tossing my granddaughter up in the air - boy that hurt! Mrs J gets very cross with me and points out how I'm going to be 80 in a couple of years and have two replacement knees and a hip. She doesn't know any of our friends who try to do stuff like this at our age - just makes me more defiant though! Have you noticed that so often what started out as a job you were confident you knew what was going to be involved "morphs" into the job from hell with other related or unrelated things found which have to be done to rectify the original problem.
I have made the same mistake with 3 year old Grand Daughter and only approaching 72, but afterwards and for several days lower back painful. It is hard to accept but true about "Anno Domini".:(
 
I have made the same mistake with 3 year old Grand Daughter and only approaching 72, but afterwards and for several days lower back painful. It is hard to accept but true about "Anno Domini".:(
Aye, my granddaughter was 9 coming on 10 at the time. She's a pretty skinny wee thing but still it did for me. I should have known better but we were in the swimming pool at the time and I just didn't think. Mrs J seems to be lining us up for a summer holiday in Jersey this year - we went to Guernsey a few years back and enjoyed it very much - and I'm under threat of excommunication, or worse, if I damage myself so we can't go. "Just behave" she shouts at me!
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you again for your support

I changed the slave cylinder and will test it later on a longer journey. The clutch pedal was sticking only when the engine was hot so I need to confirm its cured

I took apart the old slave and Inside the old one a small end piece of the spring had sheared away, so I think its likely this was the cause. I attach an image of the old one. The small circular piece is one of the end metal loops of the spring

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So many issues with my poor Panda lately, ECU, Wiper motor, battery, headlight adjusters and clutch. Last one remaining is the lack of power so hopefully this can be solved. If I can drive it safely now with this clutch solved I can seek diagnosis Thank you to all
 
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