General Arnold Clark 1.2 500 Sport supply problem .

[ffxmy]

...'uncle arnie' they are the largest in europe and have a lot more 'pull' as a result.

Agreed - if the OP did want to go with the new TwinAir model then 'uncle arnie' are currently advertising this at £500 below the already keen list price at 'only' £11100. However some other dealers will match this sort of discount in my experience.

Interestingly all the other great deals that Arnold Clark had 6 months ago on their website for new 500s appear to have been pulled. I wonder if Fiat have had a quiet word.

Something else that the OP might want to check out is an ad for multiple 1.2 Sports with just 5 miles at Arnold Clark - see http://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/fiat/500/1.2-sport-3-dr/2011-(11)/ref/cc_ygjkp1a2j6dvmuoh/ - you never know they might just have a black one...

 

[ffxmy]

*sigh* you're looking at the twinair spec.

Correct - I was deliberately looking at the TwinAir spec because I thought it was keenly priced. However as I was trying to say the good price comes at a cost in terms of colour choice, wheels and options which should IMO be standard.

 

[306maxi]

Correct - I was deliberately looking at the TwinAir spec because I thought it was keenly priced. However as I was trying to say the good price comes at a cost in terms of colour choice, wheels and options which should IMO be standard.

It's only keenly priced because it does without a lot of standard kit that comes on the lounge. It doesn't have different option wheels and colours like volare blue because it's meant to look sporty and volare blue isn't a sporty colour. I think what you're looking for is the twinair pop.

 

[bgunn]

Or the Lounge with Twin Air engine..

 

[ffxmy]

Or the old TwinAir Sport that is no longer available! :bang:

 

[306maxi]

Or the old TwinAir Sport that is no longer available! :bang:

The new twinair spec IS the Twinair Sport..... is it THAT hard to understand that? The sport was never a great seller and the more to the twinair spec is aimed at making it sell better.

 

[ffxmy]

The new twinair spec IS the Twinair Sport..... is it THAT hard to understand that?

Not sure how you can think the new twinair spec IS the Twinair Sport given what you said previously...

It's only keenly priced because it does without a lot of standard kit that comes on the lounge. It doesn't have different option wheels and colours like volare blue because it's meant to look sporty and volare blue isn't a sporty colour...

Funny how the old TwinAir Sport had the standard kit like Blue&Me as well as Volare Blue and choice of wheels...

 

[306maxi]

Please stop this PLEASE STOP!

The twinair PLUS (you know, the model you've not looked at ) has blue&me as standard.

It's a SPORTY model so volare blue was never going to be popular. If you want a volare blue twinair with a choice of wheels and a spoiler then just buy a bloody pop or a lounge and add a spoiler, it's not that hard to understand......

 

[FloJo]

Agreed - if the OP did want to go with the new TwinAir model then 'uncle arnie' are currently advertising this at £500 below the already keen list price at 'only' £11100. However some other dealers will match this sort of discount in my experience.

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Something else that the OP might want to check out is an ad for multiple 1.2 Sports with just 5 miles at Arnold Clark - see http://www.arnoldclark.com/used-cars/fiat/500/1.2-sport-3-dr/2011-(11)/ref/cc_ygjkp1a2j6dvmuoh/ - you never know they might just have a black one...

The website shows an 01506 number - that's Bathgate way isn't it? Might be local(ish) to the OP

 

[T14086]

Agreed - if the OP did want to go with the new TwinAir model

no I meant they have large stock and chances are they will have what the OP wants at one of their branches so will just need transferred internally.

 

[ffxmy]

no I meant they have large stock and chances are they will have what the OP wants at one of their branches so will just need transferred internally.

Cars can be transferred between different Fiat dealer networks too. If the dealer holding a car won't do a transfer then the OP can just go direct to the dealer who has the car. That was my intention with the ByDiesel we were looking to buy had the transfer been declined.

 

[ffxmy]

Please stop this PLEASE STOP!

The twinair PLUS (you know, the model you've not looked at ) has blue&me as standard.

It's a SPORTY model so volare blue was never going to be popular. If you want a volare blue twinair with a choice of wheels and a spoiler then just buy a bloody pop or a lounge and add a spoiler, it's not that hard to understand......

I'm losing the will to live here. *Sigh* - the TwinAir "PLUS" is a whole new ballgame which I looked at some time ago and dismissed straight away. Not sure where you get the idea that Volare Blue isn't sporty - have you seen http://swns.com/harrods-supercar-clamping-as-it-happens - they look sporty enough for me although perhaps not in the best of taste...

That's enough on this subject from me. Good night...

 

[306maxi]

I'm losing the will to live here. *Sigh* - the TwinAir "PLUS" is a whole new ballgame which I looked at some time ago and dismissed straight away. That's enough on this subject from me. Good night...

You're doing this thing where you're saying what you want and thinking that this is what Fiat should do. Personally I'd love it if all 500's came with Koni FSD's and Brembo 6 pots as standard, but it's not what most people want or need so it aint happening. The sport model wasn't selling all that well and Fiat changed it, personally it's not my cup of tea so I'm simply not going to buy one.....

 

[306maxi]

http://swns.com/harrods-supercar-clamping-as-it-happens - they look sporty enough for me although perhaps not in the best of taste...

It's probably some 80 year old dimwit whose 20 year old wife likes the colour so to keep her sweet he painted all his cars that colour, proves nothing other than the fact that any colour paint will stick to any car.

 

[loveshandbags]

Having seen the good looking Volare Blue 500 TA Lounge posted today in the Members Motors section I thought I would spec up something similar on the Fiat website. I was disappointed to see that the keenly priced Twin Air model isn't even available in Volare blue. It gets worse. Blue and Me is only an option and you are out of luck if you want wheels of the none "boy racer" kind.

Maybe I'm just getting too old and Fiat never intended the new TA models for someone the wrong side of 40. However I just wonder how much appeal it will have for the intended market.

I was surprised to see the way this thread 'went' but then I remembered a posting a few months.
I would be 'someone on the wrong side of 40' and when I was looking for a new 500 last March I was very tempted to go with a Pop TA (primarily for the engine) but couldn't live without Blue & Me, the alloys, Air con & I wasn't mad on the Pop seats (in that order).
So when Fiat brought out the 'Twin Air' model at a £500 premium over the POP TA with all those extras above (except for the B&Me at £375) plus the Sports seats with the half leatherette IMHO it was great value for money. Price is now £11,600 for the initial price of £11,385.
This model is geared for the 'spirited drivers' and at my current age and IMHO it would still be the model to go. I probably wouldn't get it in black because the black alloys, black interior and the lack of chrome - IMO you are getting too much black. So I would opt for a contrasting colour in either the midnight blue or possibly the Pearlescent white (I'm biased on this colour ) or the free BNW.
The Twin Air plus is quite a bit extra for the goodies you get but I would settle for the engine in the basic Twin Air rather than the Lounge with the red leather and all the extras that are generally ordered.
So in summary I would recommend a 'Twin Air' model in preference to a 1.2 Sport if you want a 500 with 'a bit of pep' and to hell with the mpg.

I was also a bit confused ffxmy with your comments on 'Arnold Clark' because you had recommended a previous poster to contact them

Try Arnold Clark. They appear to be able to sell 500s significantly cheaper than anyone else. Not sure about their service quality but the price I was quoted for a 500 yesterday seemed too good to be true. However given the number of brand newand pre-registered 500s that I saw sat in a dealer compound last week Fiat should IMO be doing something on price.

There's also Arnold Clark. They had some good deals a few months ago but now appear to be towing the party line as they are quoting list prices. Might be worth a phone call though.

 

[ffxmy]

lovehandbags - I wouldn't go so far as to say I *recommended* posters to contact Arnold Clark. Even when I used the word "Try", I qualified it by saying "the price quoted...seemed too good to be true" as well as questioning their service quality.

After being disappointed by Arnold Clark myself when I tried to buy a car from them, I then started using the word "might" in my posts when *suggesting* Arnold Clark. Even yesterday in this very thread I wrote a post pointing out that they are running an ad now for 1.2 Sports with delivery mileage in the hope that the OP can still get the car that he originally wanted.

In my mind, on the one hand I don't want to completely dismiss Arnold Clark because they are a large organisation, I only dealt with one poor sales manager and they may or may not have more 'pull'. However neither would I *recommend* them based on my own experience, as well as a quick google search which returns many negative results plus the OP experience.

Sometimes "needs must" dictates that one has to go with a less than ideal option. This may be to save money or perhaps because someone has what no one else is offering.

FWIW constructive, positive and hopefully helpful posts are what I like to see on this forum. I'm concerned that this thread is drifting off in the opposite direction. I see no point in taking this any further so that's me done on this subject...

 

[Pauk8]

The website shows an 01506 number - that's Bathgate way isn't it? Might be local(ish) to the OP

Hi there , I did do some searching on the web to try and locate a sport myself but that particular Arnold Clark dealer was in Broxburn & only had a used one in white . He does though have a used red abarth model in which I am very tempted as it has only done 15000 miles . One thing though the guy i spoke to was the general manager of the broxburn branch & he could not have been more helpful and went out of his way to try and locate a car for me . Whereas the other arnold Clark dealer where i ordered the car has not bothered to return my call despite promising to yesterday .
Seems that a lot of the listings of cars for sale on the fiat site are needing to updated .

 

[loveshandbags]

Hi there , I did do some searching on the web to try and locate a sport myself but that particular Arnold Clark dealer was in Broxburn & only had a used one in white . He does though have a used red abarth model in which I am very tempted as it has only done 15000 miles . One thing though the guy i spoke to was the general manager of the broxburn branch & he could not have been more helpful and went out of his way to try and locate a car for me . Whereas the other arnold Clark dealer where i ordered the car has not bothered to return my call despite promising to yesterday .
Seems that a lot of the listings of cars for sale on the fiat site are needing to updated .

There have been a few guys that have come on to the FF looking to buy Twin Airs and have ended up buying an A500 generally because they're priced keenly. I recently posted a youtube clip of a US guy who went in to buy a POP model for his mum and he ended up buying a fully loaded Sport model in Funk white with an Electric roof. So nothing suprises me these days.
I take it that because you've sold the Z4 that you will be a cash buyer as opposed to a guy buying on PCP.

 

[Pauk8]

There have been a few guys that have come on to the FF looking to buy Twin Airs and have ended up buying an A500 generally because they're priced keenly. I recently posted a youtube clip of a US guy who went in to buy a POP model for his mum and he ended up buying a fully loaded Sport model in Funk white with an Electric roof. So nothing suprises me these days.
I take it that because you've sold the Z4 that you will be a cash buyer as opposed to a guy buying on PCP.

No I was buying on PCP as I have recently bought a new house and we are renovating etc .Also A. Clark were offering a good deal with APR etc . so low monthly payments were tempting .
One thing though i am suprised at the difference in the dealers attiudes , the dealer who took my order seemed quite disinterested when i spoke to them whereas the other Broxburn dealer was very helpful .

 

[loveshandbags]

No I was buying on PCP as I have recently bought a new house and we are renovating etc .Also A. Clark were offering a good deal with APR etc . so low monthly payments were tempting .
One thing though i am suprised at the difference in the dealers attiudes , the dealer who took my order seemed quite disinterested when i spoke to them whereas the other Broxburn dealer was very helpful .

If you are looking to purchase under PCP some of the finance deals are very attractive but they may limit your choice of models. In the past the Lounge was offering a more attractive rate that the Sport and the Abarth would possibly be not as good as some of the 'newer' models. Someone else who has recently bought on PCP would be better able to advise than me. For me personally I would focus on buying the 'right' model that your budget can stretch to so organising test drives in 1.2 and Twin Air would be the 'thing' to do. My experience in Ireland is that most of the dealers will price match on new cars.