Mutleysdad has a new Panda and also had an 08 500
Technical 500 Euro 6 Problems
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Ahh now I see what you are getting at... my misunderstanding.
Still don't think this has anything to do with the plugs. You'll likely see a (very temporary) performance improvement if you change a set of Cu core plugs after even only a few thousand miles.
Muttleysdad - be careful if fitting DCPR7E-N-10's to a Mk4 Panda. Although I doubt they'll do the slightest bit of harm, it could be argued by Fiat that fitting them invalidates your engine warranty as they're not the correct specification plugs for the car.
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Interesting that they've made a difference though. Could it be something as silly as badly gapped plugs?
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Hi Jrkitching
I know what you getting at regards warranty, but I'll drive it for a while to see what happens. Driving the 500 with the ZKR7a-10's in didn't seem to harm it and they were in for months, it just drove like a total dog. I think going the other way is less likely to hurt the car as the electrode is slightly shorter and these engines haven't changed that much in the last 6 years, mainly just electronics and emissions.
It has made a major improvement though, I would like to find out why.
Cheers
Chris.
The longer plugs were fine in my 500 though....
Most likely the ZKR7a-10's were faulty/worn.
I'd like to see what would happen if you fitted one of the 'problem' cars with DCPR7EIX's (Ir plugs which are physically identical to the DCPR7E-N-10's but with a 0.8mm gap).
Both my Euro4 1.2 Panda & my Euro5 1.2 500 run better with these Ir's than with the OEM plugs. They also last a LOT longer.
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It would be interesting to see what happens if these plugs were put into a car which is fine 
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Hi All
I have been out for a long drive today (in my euro 6 500) and armed
with what I have read on this thread, I decided to try out new driving techniques.
So on level ground with no gas applied I put car into first gear and raised clutch, the 500 pulled away and maintained 4 miles per hour and was at 1000 rpm, you can drive as long as you want at this speed.
I then gave it some gas and the car pulled away just fine, did this several times to try it out.
Which cures the city start/stop driving if you can keep away from the gas pedal.
But back to the real world, pulling away at roundabouts and junctions. it is simply to slow a getaway and I think it would be unsafe.
So I went back to what I had been doing which is racing starts, revs to 2000-2500 and clutch up and away you go.
I no longer think this is a fault as such, rather a very poorly thought out change to the 500. It probably seemed a great idea in the lab for emission control, but in real life its not good.
I have been out for a long drive today (in my euro 6 500) and armed
with what I have read on this thread, I decided to try out new driving techniques.
So on level ground with no gas applied I put car into first gear and raised clutch, the 500 pulled away and maintained 4 miles per hour and was at 1000 rpm, you can drive as long as you want at this speed.
I then gave it some gas and the car pulled away just fine, did this several times to try it out.
Which cures the city start/stop driving if you can keep away from the gas pedal.
But back to the real world, pulling away at roundabouts and junctions. it is simply to slow a getaway and I think it would be unsafe.
So I went back to what I had been doing which is racing starts, revs to 2000-2500 and clutch up and away you go.
I no longer think this is a fault as such, rather a very poorly thought out change to the 500. It probably seemed a great idea in the lab for emission control, but in real life its not good.
The problem is that this does not happen with all cars, if it were intentional then it would happen to all cars imho.
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But how do we know, until I read in this thread about pulling away without gas applied I had never tried it, why would anybody, you would just stall the car, their is another family member that drives my 500 (I haven't said anything to them about the pulling away)
and they not noticed any problem, more than that really, they love the 500 say its the best car they have driven.
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I'll look them up and see how they compare.
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Re: 500 / Panda Euro 6 flat spot problems.
Because people would still complain that the car can be stalled. I look forward to getting UFI (a TA) back together and trying this myself. I expect that I'd rather disable the system but for S/S owners it would likely mean problems.
But then it also begs the question, if it is a kind of "launch control" why aren't Fiat marketing the Balls out of it?
Because people would still complain that the car can be stalled. I look forward to getting UFI (a TA) back together and trying this myself. I expect that I'd rather disable the system but for S/S owners it would likely mean problems.
Or because this launch control simply doesn't exist
OK I have a 2013 TA (with stop/start) and today I have been playing with this creep control. Having made sure the car was up to temperature, if at a standstill I can lift the clutch and the revs will rise to 1500 and the car will creep forward at up to 10mph with no application of accelerator. It is easily overridden by the use of the accelerator and if you ignore it it does not affect the operation of the car. Not sure if this adds to the investigation but I did it for my own piece of mind and to satisfy my curiosity. Strange that it is not mentioned in any handbooks.
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I was taught to drive with this skill - controlling the engine via the clutch alone is massively useful when doing slow speed manoeuvres. I use it all the time when reversing out of a parking bay for example.
Basically, this is totally normal.
Well, it's worked for me in a 2008 500, my current 2013 one, a 2004 and 2009 Mini Cooper, an Aston Martin DB9 and several Saabs...
However, the point is that this method of driving has been perfectly valid for Fiat 500s since they launched. It is not new.
However, the point is that this method of driving has been perfectly valid for Fiat 500s since they launched. It is not new.
Fair enough, as I said, my findings may be a red herring with regards to the original problem as my car is perfectly happy being driven 'normally'.
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I bought my Fiat 500s in March from new and have the same problem. My car struggles massively on up hill starts along with the delayed reaction with the throttle when pulling away at junctions.Hi there
Have just joined the forum so this is my first post.
We have just taken delivery of a new 500 1.2 Lounge. Both my wife and I have noticed that the operation of the vehicle at slow speeds/when pulling away in fist gear is odd. I understand that the Euro 6 Engines have a device fitted to the clutch pedal to reduce emissions. We have found that the vehicle loses power when pulling away in first gear and then picks up after a short period of hesitation. It feels very unsafe, when trying to pull out into traffic. The dealer has checked everything out sent data to Fiat. I have raised a case number with Fiat Care. We are being told this is the way the car operates and we need to 'learn how to drive it'
Has anyone else experienced a problem on the Euro 6 engines vehicles?
Hope someone can help.
Thanks
I have informed my local dealer who have been informed by Fiat HQ with the following statement
" the performance and operational characteristics of the above (Euro 6 engine variant) are within our manufacturing stand as and conform to all legislative requirements"
My dealer then wrote to advising me that if if I still had a problem with uphill starts they would get a Master Technician to demonstrate what driving style to adopt!
I am an ex Army driver (HGV 2 and PSV) which I felt was quite patronising and not helpful!
My fiat only manages 35mpg which I have also informed the garage about.
I am now waiting for the Master Technician to call and advise me on my driving style!?
I have also been informed that Ford who have the same engines have done the ECU update and that Fiat would not be carrying out the update!
Any legal advice on how to get a new car or refund would be much appreciated.
I am one unhappy Fiat 500s owner ?
It's coming to something when a professional driver is considered appropriate fodder for a specialist trainer. In a small city runabout!
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