Technical 1.9 td will not start.

[CamperPete]

CamperPete's vehicle dates from 1993, which was the launch year of the x230 model. Perhaps Pete can confirm the model by checking the fist three numbers of the VIN which would have the form ZFA230......... We know from a recent thread that later versions of the x230 had a crash inertia switch in series with the "stop" solenoid, which needs to be energised for the engine to start. Fiat badged 1.9TD versions of the x230 were fitted with the 230A3000 engine, or 230A4000 with cat. (Wikipedia) Again check VIN plate for engine type.

At the moment I do not have time to say more, but in my 2006 x244, the switch is mounted on the bulkhead near the battery. See attached photo. If such a switch is fitted try pressing the top of it.

I can not find the switch, I don't think I have one

 

[Communicator]

I can not find the switch, I don't think I have one

Often with motorhomes, there are delays betwween base vehicle manufacter, conversion, and eventual sale. The ZFA290......... number on the VIN plate is for a Series 1 Ducato, which was produced until 1992. Perhaps a academic, but according to Wkipedia, this would make the engine a Fiat 280A1000 series.

A diesel engine needs air, injected fuel, and a cranking speed of 150rpm in order to start. (Having said that I have in the distant past started a diesel engine with a battery that had been seriously discharged. Glow plug control was manual, and I gave a double dose, before cranking.)

While the engines differ the problem in this thread, https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/fiat-ducato-2-8i-jtd-not-starting-after-winter.508158/, from the recent past is identical. Worth browsing.

 

[jackwhoo]

Do you have and can you use a volt meter? Or a 12v test light?

 

[jackwhoo]

Are you member of rac ? AA ? Etc

 

[CamperPete]

Do you have and can you use a volt meter? Or a 12v test light?

yes i have a multi meter
I do not have home start.
Cheers
Pete

 

[jackwhoo]

Injector pump Gently remove rubber boot from electrical terminal and slide boot down wire.

Use meter to test for 12v on the injector pump terminal when ignition on.

Report result

 

[Communicator]

My apologies if this has been mentioned previously. The injection pump is probably a Bosch VE series. There may be an electrical cold start device on the pump, as well as the stop solenoid. To avoid any possible confusion see this link to Injector Pumps website. which shows the stop solenoid.

 

[CamperPete]

Injector pump Gently remove rubber boot from electrical terminal and slide boot down wire.

Use meter to test for 12v on the injector pump terminal when ignition on.

Report result

Hi, yes there is 12 volts with the ignition on

 

[CamperPete]

My apologies if this has been mentioned previously. The injection pump is probably a Bosch VE series. There may be an electrical cold start device on the pump, as well as the stop solenoid. To avoid any possible confusion see this link to Injector Pumps website. which shows the stop solenoid.

 

[CamperPete]

The rubber boot at the top has no connection to it. the lower one is the one that I get 12 volts when the ignition is on.

 

[CamperPete]

Hi Is the the connection to the stop solenoid? do yo think it is worth replacing it, should I hear it click when the ignition is switched on?

 

[jackwhoo]

We can only see the photos you post.......so if the photos are poor and don't show any detail we can't see.

Apologies the photo in post 29 is ok

And yes it does show the connection to the stop solenoid......
No do not touch it at the moment if you do and drop any dirt into the pump at all then it will destroy the pump.

Any click noise is very quiet and is unlikely to be heard from near ignition switch.

 

[jackwhoo]

With ignition off what is the resistance between stop solenoid terminal and ground?

 

[CamperPete]

With ignition off what is the resistance between stop solenoid terminal and ground?

My meter is not the best, but it is reading 8 ohms

 

[jackwhoo]

With ignition off Run a wire from battery positive tap it onto the stop solenoid terminal and listen for tick / click.

Be very careful not to short circuit the extra wire from battery positive as it will not be fuse protected.

 

[CamperPete]

With ignition off Run a wire from battery positive tap it onto the stop solenoid terminal and listen for tick / click.

Be very careful not to short circuit the extra wire from battery positive as it will not be fuse protected.

I hear a click, quite loud, it sounds like a relay at the bulkhead not from the solenoid, I will try and disconnect the solenoid and see if I get a click.

 

[Communicator]

Measuring resistance with the solenoid connected may not give a good result, as there may other items connected to the ignition switch.

You seem to have identified the stop solenoid, but for confirmation, here is a link to an advertisement on Ebay, which contains several photos of a Bosch pump. The stop solenid is the part with the threaded terminal screw, and which is screwed into the square pressure head from which the four yellow capped injector unions emerge. If there is no power to the "stop" solenoid, the engine will not start. It could be better named as a go, or run solenoid.

Remember if testing with a temporary supply, you need to disconnect in order to stop engine, once started.

 

[CamperPete]

I hear a click, quite loud, it sounds like a relay at the bulkhead not from the solenoid, I will try and disconnect the solenoid and see if I get a click.

I disconnected the stop solenoid and applied 12 volts to it and you can hear it with a good clunk. With power to it it still wont start, it just doesn't appear to be getting any diesel

 

[CamperPete]

Measuring resistance with the solenoid connected may not give a good result, as there may other items connected to the ignition switch.

You seem to have identified the stop solenoid, but for confirmation, here is a link to an advertisement on Ebay, which contains several photos of a Bosch pump. The stop solenid is the part with the threaded terminal screw, and which is screwed into the square pressure head from which the four yellow capped injector unions emerge. If there is no power to the "stop" solenoid, the engine will not start. It could be better named as a go, or run solenoid.

Remember if testing with a temporary supply, you need to disconnect in order to stop engine, once started.

The stop solenoid appears to be good as I hear it clunk when I put power to it. it is as if it needs diesel, but it has half a tank.

 

[jackwhoo]

The stop solenoid appears to be good as I hear it clunk when I put power to it. it is as if it needs diesel, but it has half a tank.

Yep I would say you have concluded correctly the stop solenoid is working.

May I suggest buying a primer bulb and fitting it in the fuel line