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Can anyone upload some pictures of an empty sei engine bay... need to see where the suspension sits,,, cheers.. oh also need measurements, cheers 
Technical Seicento Engine Bay Size? (calculating 2.0 16v)
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Technical Seicento Engine Bay Size? (calculating 2.0 16v)
Oh should mention that you'll probably be better off filling your tank with foam to keep the the fuel level higher in the tank & help prevent the fuel moving around too much.
Can anyone upload some pictures of an empty sei engine bay... need to see where the suspension sits,,, cheers.. oh also need measurements, cheers
I'll do you a (very empty) Cinq one. Be patient............
the spi does have a sort of swirl pot the fuel return goes into the bottom of the round chamber (cw iirc) where it spins around the out side before going back to the pump... (Ive seen it working while testing a pump)
Never had any cutting out on mine even after running with VERY low fuel around a long bend on a track. but i guess it depends on how long the bend is... imho its not anything that needs looking at unless you have issues (doubt you will)
Never had any cutting out on mine even after running with VERY low fuel around a long bend on a track. but i guess it depends on how long the bend is... imho its not anything that needs looking at unless you have issues (doubt you will)
You're not trying hard enough -- I could do it predictably running Blue 2 on public roads!
must of been something wrong with your fuel system then!
I guess the swirl tank may work better with the much higher fuel pressure my car runs on though.
I guess the swirl tank may work better with the much higher fuel pressure my car runs on though.
Nope, no problems. Mind you, it was lowered to lunatic levels, hardest suspension known to Cinqkind, and Uniroyals. It'd do it not on long, sweeping corners, but 90 degree bends and one fairly small roundabout where the council have put two tangental cuts in the tarmac, leading to the back end going very light indeed.
Otherwise, no fuelling issues at all.
Otherwise, no fuelling issues at all.
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You can do as you said, a flip front with a subframe. But thats assuming one thing, thats if you need to make room infront of the axle. What you need to do is measure up the engine, and see how much room BEHIND the axle you need to make. Then shorten your legs by the same amount
Or extend the front while spaceframing it - isn't this usually done when fitting a 2000cc vauxhall/honda lump into a classic Mini?
Nova bay is nice and clean, that engine looks like it belongs there
Not as empty as I'd hoped, took a later picture, but can't find the card reader :bang:
So, the dimensions -- should be just about identical for Sei
52cm bulkhead (footwell) to slam panel
76cm across inner wings (the "horns") but approx 70cm where horns bulge inwards
from sump bottom to top of bonnet approx 50cm
If needed, you can gain a good 3" by ditching the original headlamps and going for aftermarket twin ones, much as rallycinq has done.
Rear is about a foot bigger in every dimension........... will just about take an Alfa V6.
nice mix of units there fingers
nice mix of units there fingers
I is very old: I measures in one, thinks in t'other.
lol dont worry i do it all the time. I made myself laugh in college when i asked for 2inchs of 5mm rod
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Not as empty as I'd hoped, took a later picture, but can't find the card reader :bang:
So, the dimensions -- should be just about identical for Sei
52cm bulkhead (footwell) to slam panel
76cm across inner wings (the "horns") but approx 70cm where horns bulge inwards
from sump bottom to top of bonnet approx 50cm
If needed, you can gain a good 3" by ditching the original headlamps and going for aftermarket twin ones, much as rallycinq has done.
Rear is about a foot bigger in every dimension........... will just about take an Alfa V6.
Going on them measurements the engine is approx 10cms too heigh (which could be altered with 15" wheels, and lowering the engine) and im about 5cms out on the width of the whole thing. This is in keeping the car as a non-flip idea...
However, can i.....
Remove the panels each side of the engine (the pannels that are sticking out, from the panels that hold the stuts in place) and fit some flat sheet steel over the hole and brace internally?
I cant have a look without having the car infront of me... If that could all be removed then the engine shouldnt have too much problem getting in.
Possibly: the bracing will have to be good, though, as that area is very important for structural strength.
A roll cage with -- effectively -- a spaceframe built off it might be a better bet or -- pinch the front end off a Vaux (you'll have issues with the gearbox width anyway) and meld it in.
Remember what I posted above? Getting the engine into the bay may well be possible, but where does the driveshaft output come in relation to the existing wheels? Its more complicated than an X, Y, Z measure of the engine and the bay. You must measure from the diveshafts to the front and the rear of the engine too. If the engine sits forward you can obviously cover it with the flip front, but if it sits too far back then you are into major chassis modification.
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Im off to the breakers yard today to see if there are any fiats there to get a more complex look at measurements....
My cars for sale on piston heads to fund most of the work and some college stuff.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1116470.htm
Looks so far like the project will be up and running if the car shifts for over the £2k mark..
Will get the measure out on my engine today to see where the shafts sit etc....
Appreciate all your input on this btw... very helpfull
My cars for sale on piston heads to fund most of the work and some college stuff.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1116470.htm
Looks so far like the project will be up and running if the car shifts for over the £2k mark..
Will get the measure out on my engine today to see where the shafts sit etc....
Appreciate all your input on this btw... very helpfull
I don't understand why sell the nova with the engine, then put it in a sei ?
Or sole reason for such project, is you prefer the centos?
Ming
Or sole reason for such project, is you prefer the centos
?Ming
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I don't understand why sell the nova with the engine, then put it in a sei ?
Or sole reason for such project, is you prefer the centos
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bang on... prefer cento's, well the sei...
Ive owned loads of fiats, and love the cinqys and sei's...
Would love to get one back, but with a bit more oomph... I know the engine's fairly well, so would prefer buying another and rebuilding it ready for the sei.... If i strip the engine out thats currently in the nova, it leaves the nova not worth much at all, so im best off leaving that car how it is.....
I know people say whats the point in stupid amount of power in a small car etc, but im not a rally driver lol. The car is going to be intended for a daily driver and just basically to be a one off!! Im already used to a crap ride with the nova, lack of power steering etc... but the nova doesnt have quite the same look or aura as a 2.0 seicento would have!!
The only downside with the engine is that some of the stuff will need to be internally mounted in the car.... although i guess that means i can distribute the weight a bit better...
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Today has been a busy one... got back from the scrap yard and started to underake some blue-peter style drawings, measurements and general brainstorming... so far i think the flip front is the best option... as going by the measurements so far it looks as if there would need to be a lot of bulkhead and inner wing work doing.... And it might just be easier to cut it all off and start a fresh. If im to keep all the inner wings i would need to remove the horn sections completely, and then cut out the footwell and move that complete piece around 4 inch's back into the car... with the frame i can avoid that all.
Ive planned out MAX measurements of the engine, obviously in some places there will be a difference etc with things like the gearbox being lower etc....
So far this is what i have got... were moving onto the 3d plan next (sounds stupid) but were going to knock a scaled engine bay up out of wooden coffee stirrers (thank you ronald mcD) and see what the engine would foul on... Also were going to make up a temp flip frame one up too to see if its easier to work with.
The height of the block is really going to be an issue as i dont want the engine to be that noticable... i need to make 5" up somewhere.... :S
Thinking of mounting the engine lower than it is in the sei, and then raising the bonnet a tad, not sure really how i can get round it on paper, as i can only really judge it when the frame has been built...
These are the measurements i took today, and also incorporating some of your info also...
(everything has been scaled on graph paper, yet you cant see the squares from the scan).
(i know the gearbox isnt to scale on the side on of the XE)
Ive planned out MAX measurements of the engine, obviously in some places there will be a difference etc with things like the gearbox being lower etc....
So far this is what i have got... were moving onto the 3d plan next (sounds stupid) but were going to knock a scaled engine bay up out of wooden coffee stirrers (thank you ronald mcD) and see what the engine would foul on... Also were going to make up a temp flip frame one up too to see if its easier to work with.
The height of the block is really going to be an issue as i dont want the engine to be that noticable... i need to make 5" up somewhere.... :S
Thinking of mounting the engine lower than it is in the sei, and then raising the bonnet a tad, not sure really how i can get round it on paper, as i can only really judge it when the frame has been built...
These are the measurements i took today, and also incorporating some of your info also...
(everything has been scaled on graph paper, yet you cant see the squares from the scan).
(i know the gearbox isnt to scale on the side on of the XE)
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