GP wheels are 4x100 - you'll be needing 4x98 won't you?
General Ice and Panda's dont mix.
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GP wheels are 4x100 - you'll be needing 4x98 won't you?
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Tiny! How long does it take to get it to 60?
It can get to 60?
Actually, I quite like it.
No idea! Haven't really looked into anything to be honest but will try harder over the weekend!
Visorfett
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I was driving down some back lanes near me last week, it was fairly cold, so I took it easy, came into a 90 degree bend and half way around the front end started to slide, so I lifted off, the back end stepped out, to which I applied half a turn in the opposite direction to correct. Who says lift off oversteer isn't good on roads? it saved me and my girlfriend being in a ditch, this was at about 10/15mph, I'm thinking there was leaked oil or diesel on the road as there were barriers and squashed ditch nearby after the bend (looks like someone didn't slow for it )
I'm not saying ESP isn't good, because for a lot of people it is, but as with ABS (in my opinion) on ice its fairly useless, much like the eagle F1s = great in the dry and wet, but ice/snow, no.
I'm not saying ESP isn't good, because for a lot of people it is, but as with ABS (in my opinion) on ice its fairly useless, much like the eagle F1s = great in the dry and wet, but ice/snow, no.
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I've never been overly courteous tbh. I loathe the poor standards of driving that I encounter on a daily basis and have no patience for it.
Well if you can't drive I guess it's important to have that kind of safety net. However I think it is downright foolish to rely on ESP etc to sort out things for you. Sure there is nothing wrong with having aids to help poor drivers, have no problem at all with that. Not my cup of tea though.
What you consider to be poor standards of driving may not be someone else's idea. And saying, well if you can't drive then i suppose having esp as a saftey net is important,what sort of comment is that.I take it your some sort of driving professional/coach or a traffic cop to be handing out that sort of comment.
If you are....then i apoligise for my comment.
Years ago, I was racing along in my 1275GT mini around this long sweeping bend and then suddenly looming large was a huge Grain Truck parked on the outside of the exit to the bend....
In the brief moment before disaster I tried to aim for the kerb as it looked the lesser of the two evils....But I ended up ploughing into the rear tyres of the monster....Ironically, it probably saved us as we came to rest with the rear bumper of the truck inside the cabin, about a foot from our faces....Luckily none of us had a scratch, but taught me some very good lessons:
1) You never know what's around the corner....
2) There are some situations when driving ability has very little effect on your ability to avoid an accident....
3) Pride comes before a fall....
As the Policeman said "I bet you thought you were a good driver didn't you?"
I did think that....I still think I'm pretty good, but at the end of the day if you treat the roads like the track it's only matter of time before your luck runs out.
In the brief moment before disaster I tried to aim for the kerb as it looked the lesser of the two evils....But I ended up ploughing into the rear tyres of the monster....Ironically, it probably saved us as we came to rest with the rear bumper of the truck inside the cabin, about a foot from our faces....Luckily none of us had a scratch, but taught me some very good lessons:
1) You never know what's around the corner....
2) There are some situations when driving ability has very little effect on your ability to avoid an accident....
3) Pride comes before a fall....
As the Policeman said "I bet you thought you were a good driver didn't you?"
I did think that....I still think I'm pretty good, but at the end of the day if you treat the roads like the track it's only matter of time before your luck runs out.
ScoobyChris
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But your driving ability should prevent you getting into those situations rather than get you out of them. For example, driving at a speed where you can always stop in the section of road you can see is clear....
Chris
That's got nothing to do with driving ability....
ScoobyChris
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Depends if you define driving ability as a purely mechanical process, or whether you include thinking processes in there too. Someone who has the ability to plan ahead and cater for the unexpected has far more driving ability than someone whose ability manifests in the number of times they need to use car control skills to get out of an unnecessary situation, imho.
Chris
Originally Posted by ScoobyChris
Depends if you define driving ability as a purely mechanical process, or whether you include thinking processes in there too. Someone who has the ability to plan ahead and cater for the unexpected has far more driving ability than someone whose ability manifests in the number of times they need to use car control skills to get out of an unnecessary situation, imho.
I would call that 'good awareness' and while the two are often (but now always!) linked, I would say they are separate.
A really good driver has both.
Having said that, all the awareness in the world won't necessarily prevent you from hitting something like a diesel spill....
Who can afford to spill diesel in this day and age!
What you consider to be poor standards of driving may not be someone else's idea. And saying, well if you can't drive then i suppose having esp as a saftey net is important,what sort of comment is that.I take it your some sort of driving professional/coach or a traffic cop to be handing out that sort of comment.
If you are....then i apoligise for my comment.
Well I just don't understand why people do not want to learn how to handle a car properly. But that's just me. Well if you can't drive and lets face it the driving test teaches you nothing about car control then I guess all you can do is rely on ESP because what other hope have you got?
I do instruct friends who are racing. I've done trackdays for over 8 years and i've raced in a few series etc.
You seem to believe there are only two levels or driving ability....Yours and everyone else's....
To use my wife as an example....She drives sensibly, has no inclination to drive that fast and doesn't go chucking the car into corners ....Yet by your standards, she 'can't drive'....Do you not think that is a little rude?
Why should she not benefit from ABS and/or ESP? I feel happy knowing that as a 'normal' driver, the safety features are there to help her, should something go awry....
You seem to believe there are only two levels or driving ability....Yours and everyone else's....
To use my wife as an example....She drives sensibly, has no inclination to drive that fast and doesn't go chucking the car into corners ....Yet by your standards, she 'can't drive'....Do you not think that is a little rude?
Why should she not benefit from ABS and/or ESP? I feel happy knowing that as a 'normal' driver, the safety features are there to help her, should something go awry....
Well quite I don't have a problem if people want to rely on such systems. As I have previously said the driving test doesn't exactly teach you how to drive so it is no wonder people are not aware of what to do given a situation when the car is skidding. Unfortunately driving is not taught to a high standard in the UK unlike say Sweden where they teach drivers how to cope in difficult situations and actually teach car control.
When driving is not taught to a high standard all you can expect is that most people won't know how to help themselves in a difficult situation.
I really do think that if the driving test included some kind of skid pan training at least it would go someway to helping people how to get themselves out of a skid instead of having to rely on ESP etc and hope it saves them.
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I know, why dont we all move to Sweden? lol only messin.. i am quite enjoying this thread whilst sitting on the fence though so please keep the debate going!
lol only messin.. i am quite enjoying this thread whilst sitting on the fence though so please keep the debate going! 
I know, why dont we all move to Sweden?
Ahh Isn't it Sweden the place that you must do 6 Hours of lessons on a skid pan before you can take your driving test?
TDQ you do need to get off that high horse sometimes. You seem to give the opinion that everyone is lesser than you....
My car slid down hill on ice and was written off. I am such a terrible driver Things happen you live and learn
My car slid down hill on ice and was written off. I am such a terrible driver
Things happen you live and learn
yes, :devil:
