Technical 500 Euro 6 Problems
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Thanks Zanes, I had a crap day too & was being a bit sarky! To be fair to Wiki, it's really a reference site and quotes facts & data rather then opinions, so yes, it's generally fairly accurate!!
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If it is indeed a Euro6 compliance thing then reverse would be exempt from that testing, so it can have a stock map. Reversing up a steep drive with 2500rpm would be no fun at all.
Definitely sounds like a software issue to me. Reminds me of my TwinAir when in eco mode, it's sluggish as hell when accelerating from a standstill, and very dangerous when trying to pull out into fast-moving traffic. Turning off eco button solves this -- hence, software.
Hi everyone, thanks for the welcome and your comments on this.
I have been back to the dealer today, who are very supportive of the issue we are experiencing. We are thinking quite seriously of rejection the car on safety grounds. Twice this week my wife has found that this 'feature' has almost resulted in a accident. She has lost complete confidence in the car and the whole enjoyment of purchasing a new vehicle has drained away.
The garage are getting back to Fiat to trying to get to the bottom of this and are treating this very seriously.
Super Uwe:- the problem is most noticeable when pulling off from a standstill, but if you are climbing hills from a slow start we also get a similar problem. It's as if the ECU mapping is all wrong. It drives completely different to the Euro 5 1.2.
jrkitching:- It's my understanding there is a two stage potentiometer that is fitted to the clutch pedal. Fiat are trying to educate a different driving style. You will find that you can virtually bring the clutch in from standstill without stalling the engine as bringing up the clutch increases the revs. Consequently when the clutch is fully in revs are needed and this catches the driver out so you have a kind of dead spot before realising you need to press the accelerator. Its hard to describe so I hope that make some sense.
I can't believe you can spend £12K on a new car in this day and age and have a vehicle that is not fit for purpose.
Regards
Thanks Alfie14. Well, there's definitely something up then (although that is just stating the bleeding obvious!).
Just hope you and the others can get Fiat on board. I wonder if it might help having a brand new thread/sticky so that all you people suffering from this problem can see how many others are in the same boat.
Also - if you were willing to disclose contact details, maybe one of you could take charge and get in touch with Fiat as part of a group complaint? Just a thought.
Seems a good idea to me - only thing I'd add is that we should bring in the Panda folks as well; maybe put it in technical with a non-expiring link in both Panda (2012+) & 500 forums?
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No worries for you, this one seems to be specific to very recent 1.2's.
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Just hope you and the others can get Fiat on board. I wonder if it might help having a brand new thread/sticky so that all you people suffering from this problem can see how many others are in the same boat.
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Good idea together with including 1.2 panda.
Can I also suggest that anyone with this problem contacts Fiat Care on 0080034280000 and gets a case number registered. We did this immediately we found the defect and Fiat are then obliged to look into it. So far they are claiming the car is operating as designed and I have re-emphasised to them on numerous occasions that it's the design that is the problem. Fiat will not do anything until they receive enough complaints, only then will they pass the issue onto Bosh who design the management hardware and software to investigate. This will take some time so the more cases registered the better. I am not hopeful that this problem will be addressed in any reasonable time period by Fiat.
Just hope you and the others can get Fiat on board. I wonder if it might help having a brand new thread/sticky so that all you people suffering from this problem can see how many others are in the same boat.
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Good idea together with including 1.2 panda.
Can I also suggest that anyone with this problem contacts Fiat Care on 0080034280000 and gets a case number registered. We did this immediately we found the defect and Fiat are then obliged to look into it. So far they are claiming the car is operating as designed and I have re-emphasised to them on numerous occasions that it's the design that is the problem. Fiat will not do anything until they receive enough complaints, only then will they pass the issue onto Bosh who design the management hardware and software to investigate. This will take some time so the more cases registered the better. I am not hopeful that this problem will be addressed in any reasonable time period by Fiat.
Interesting- did FIAT tell you this? I would have thought that Bosch design/build the management hardware but the mapping part (which sounds like a culprit) would have been FIATs job.
This assumes of course that the management hardware hasn't changed.
I'm sorry but I think Alfie is going at this the wrong way. I really don't see how some two stage clutch switch is going to reduce emissions......
The 1.2 8v is already Euro 6 compatible even in euro V form......
The 1.2 8v is already Euro 6 compatible even in euro V form......
306maxi I'm only repeating what I have been told on the clutch pedal, it not my belief it will reduce emissions. What I have been advised is that fiat want us to change our driving style which is why they have changed the mapping and fitted devices of this nature. It's really insulting when talking to fiat care to be told you need to relearn how to drive
Zanes I have a family member who works for fiat and I'm reliably informed that this is how these types of problems are covered between fiat and Bosch. Until a large number of customer cases are raised by fiat care (number unknown), the problem will not be passed onto Bosh to investigate
Zanes I have a family member who works for fiat and I'm reliably informed that this is how these types of problems are covered between fiat and Bosch. Until a large number of customer cases are raised by fiat care (number unknown), the problem will not be passed onto Bosh to investigate
That's not relevant to the issue that Alfie and the other posters have been describing.
The number of different folks posting the same story is sufficient to suggest to me that something has been changed on the latest cars which is affecting the way they drive in a systematically repeatable way.
Unless someone with an inside track is prepared to come on here and speak up, the only way I can see to progress this is to get a group of folks with this issue to collectively petition FIAT until we get some substantive factual answers.
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A while ago I know, but 1.6 Stilo's suffered with a very similar issue. Very sluggish throttle response when trying to pull away. You could floor the throttle, and bring your foot back up again before the revs would rise, hence lots of stalling when a quick getaway was required. I spent ages trying to get mine fixed, but in the end Fiat told me it was down to the Bosch ECU and no remapping was possible.
Very insulting of Fiat to tell owners of new 1.2 500's that they need to change their driving style. Personally I wouldn't muck about and would reject the car on safety grounds.
The problem is that if you make a complaint with the wrong information........
I was talking to someone on facebook who works in a Fiat stealership and they said that if you leave the seatbelt unplugged while you're puling away in the morning or reversing out of your drive that it flattens the battery and this is what causes S&S issues.
Dealers don't always know what they're on about.
There is obviously an issue here, but it needs to be approached properly.
I was talking to someone on facebook who works in a Fiat stealership and they said that if you leave the seatbelt unplugged while you're puling away in the morning or reversing out of your drive that it flattens the battery and this is what causes S&S issues.
Dealers don't always know what they're on about.
There is obviously an issue here, but it needs to be approached properly.
Exactly.
I can't see one person complaining that their new car isn't driving the way they think it should be getting very far with this one.
And the dealerships will likely give out all kinds of spurious information of varying degrees of resemblence to factual reality in order to get said complainer to go away.
All we really know is that there's a number of folks with recent 1.2 500's & Pandas who are reporting that their cars have a significant flat spot which makes it hard for them to pull away cleanly.
IMO Fiat need to accept that there's a problem, work out what the cause is, and find a practical solution. They have a huge head start on us, because they know exactly what modifications they've made, and when.
It's not like owners can just type <winver> at the command prompt and find out what version of software the car is running.
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IF they've made a modification
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