Styling 15inch alloy wheels on a mk1 punto

[cmgunn3r]

Re: alloys swap?

bump

 

[sdb-punto]

Re: alloys swap?

Put your alloys in for sale section
Put the alloys you want in wanted section

Simples

 

[cmgunn3r]

Re: alloys swap?

true lol just running out of options. my car still shakes even doh i got the spigots and wobbly bolts, also I got 3 of the wheels rebalanced i havnt had the other back 1 done yet because i cant see how the 1 wheel will make as much shake as when the other 3 where out of balance? I do want the wheels but just cant figure out why since ive put them on its causing the car 2 shake. im fighting the steering wheel at 55-60mph?

Im just thinking it maybe because i went from 13" to 15" ? or could it be because my back suspention is down had reduced damping effect, but then again my car was fine on the 13" steels?

Ive just slowly ran out of money and the problem is still there?

any suggestions (nice car btw)

 

[missey]

Re: alloys swap?

If you do want to get rid or swap, please keep it to the classifieds.

If you do want to put standard alloys/steelies back on, you wont have any problems getting rid of them.

Which mk1 do you have?
Does it have power steering and exactly how bad is the judder?
Why didn't you get the 4th wheel balanced?
Have you given each of them a bit of a tug to check that your radius arms are all ok?

 

[cmgunn3r]

Hi missey,

Sorry for the mix up in posts, I don't want to get rid of the tbh I like how they look on the car. When I had the steels on I had no problems. The shaking is when I reach around 55-60mph the steering wheel is shaking left to right fast in a 1 inch area side to side. like a jack hammer lol I did'nt get the last back left wheel rebalanced because of money and cud'nt really understand why the 1 back wheel would still cause it through the steering wheel. I did have all the wheels off a few days ago to paint the brake drums/calipers but never noticed any play when I put them back on. One thing I did notice at the rear is a clunking noise when It was being lowered back off the jack. also my rear shockers are down has having a reduced damping effect on the mot slip? would that be contributing to it? the the extra weight of the wheels exaggerating it.

btw it does'nt have powersteering

 

[sdb-punto]

Re: alloys swap?

true lol just running out of options. my car still shakes even doh i got the spigots and wobbly bolts, also I got 3 of the wheels rebalanced i havnt had the other back 1 done yet because i cant see how the 1 wheel will make as much shake as when the other 3 where out of balance? I do want the wheels but just cant figure out why since ive put them on its causing the car 2 shake. im fighting the steering wheel at 55-60mph?

Im just thinking it maybe because i went from 13" to 15" ? or could it be because my back suspention is down had reduced damping effect, but then again my car was fine on the 13" steels?

Ive just slowly ran out of money and the problem is still there?

any suggestions (nice car btw)

Cheers bud

Where did you get the alloys balanced? take them back and see if they can find anything wrong with them, as that is very unsafe!

 

[missey]

Hi missey,

Sorry for the mix up in posts, I don't want to get rid of the tbh I like how they look on the car. When I had the steels on I had no problems. The shaking is when I reach around 55-60mph the steering wheel is shaking left to right fast in a 1 inch area side to side. like a jack hammer lol I did'nt get the last back left wheel rebalanced because of money and cud'nt really understand why the 1 back wheel would still cause it through the steering wheel. I did have all the wheels off a few days ago to paint the brake drums/calipers but never noticed any play when I put them back on. One thing I did notice at the rear is a clunking noise when It was being lowered back off the jack. also my rear shockers are down has having a reduced damping effect on the mot slip? would that be contributing to it? the the extra weight of the wheels exaggerating it.

btw it does'nt have powersteering

no worries about the posts

tbh it could be a few things,
Firstly, you will feel more through the steering wheel without power steering, but NOT that much.

As sdb-punto has already said you need to get those wheels back to the shop. I'm kinda concerned about what sort of place you have been dealing with.
Normally, well whenever I have gone for balancing, the place I use would not dream of only sorting 3 wheels....If I go there for wheel balancing, they do all 4 without me asking...when done, I say, 'how much do I owe ya', they say, 'nah your alright love' It's not an expensive job...(esp when you are a girl )

How much have they been charging you per wheel?...even that sounds odd paying per wheel

As for the clunking when lowering off jack..they do tend to creak and moan a bit, but as long as its not too disgusting I wouldn't be overly concerned, esp if your shocks are on their way out.

Thing is, it could be a few different things. But I would start with the wheels and getting them sorted properly.
Cos it could be that another problem that wasn't that obvious with the 13's on is now being highlighted. But my money would be going on getting those wheels balanced properly and seeing where that takes you.
Even if you took it to a national place and asked for a free check/quote to see what you are looking at

 

[sdb-punto]

no worries about the posts

tbh it could be a few things,
Firstly, you will feel more through the steering wheel without power steering, but NOT that much.

As sdb-punto has already said you need to get those wheels back to the shop. I'm kinda concerned about what sort of place you have been dealing with.
Normally, well whenever I have gone for balancing, the place I use would not dream of only sorting 3 wheels....If I go there for wheel balancing, they do all 4 without me asking...when done, I say, 'how much do I owe ya', they say, 'nah your alright love' It's not an expensive job...(esp when you are a girl )

How much have they been charging you per wheel?...even that sounds odd paying per wheel

As for the clunking when lowering off jack..they do tend to creak and moan a bit, but as long as its not too disgusting I wouldn't be overly concerned, esp if your shocks are on their way out.

Thing is, it could be a few different things. But I would start with the wheels and getting them sorted properly.
Cos it could be that another problem that wasn't that obvious with the 13's on is now being highlighted. But my money would be going on getting those wheels balanced properly and seeing where that takes you.
Even if you took it to a national place and asked for a free check/quote to see what you are looking at

You couldn't ask for better advice than that!

 

[smokeyjoe03]

different part to what i was thinking. thought you was talking about the two spike things.

I still have those on my wheels.

Your thinking of the two locator pins that are used to hold the wheels on while you get the bolts in. In or out these won't make a difference.

As for the wheels in my honest opinion I would say they are buckled.

Going from 13" to 15" isn't an issue, I did that on my mk1 and if anything it felt smoother.

As said above the wheel "specialist" you have been using sounds really poor. It cost me £35 to have four wheels balanced and my tracking done on a proper four point tracking system. It really isn't an expensive job. Without sounding offensive you sounds naive when talking about this subject as you have openly admitted you don't know much about wheels, any garage that picks up on that is going to start charging you all sorts.

To avoid this I would try using a more mainstream place like a Mr. Tyre or even Kwikfit. The job might be slightly more expensive but atleast they won't rip you off and the job will be done properly.

 

[MikeSalt]

Dave,

For safety's sake, I would put the 13" steel wheels back on for now. If there are any problems with your own steel wheels, let me know and I'll let you borrow my steelies until you get the alloys sorted. They have been sitting behind the shed for a while but the P3000 tyres I have on them still look in good condition, with plenty of tread.

Mike

 

[cmgunn3r]

Thanks for the great advice and concern people Point taken smokeyjoe03 I look on here because to me you guys/girls are gods/experts lol I admit I don't know much about cars lol and they obviously see me coming. But saying that I took it there for a balance at first and the guy would'nt do it untill I had brought the spigots and wobbly nuts, Because all I had was the steel bolt's in and the info/concern cost nothing. Thats how thick I am when it comes to cars

The reason with the garage only doing 3 wheel's was because 1 of the rear wheels had a slow puncture so that was rebalance at the same time.
The next time I went the guy said they only either do wheel balancing in pairs or all the wheels at once. Which because of money at the time I just had the front two done. They were miles out so they said and does seem abit better but not fully cured.

Anyway lol I have had all 4 wheels balanced now, And it seems better but there's still some slight jumping left to right in a 1inch radius. Also I did ask for a tracking check (which is free) They used a laser system? and the guy said the tracking is perfect. And lol I asked if he would check see if they were buckled but he said they were'nt.

Only other thing I can think of is the wheel bearings? with the wheels being heavier maybe? It would be more intense would'nt it if they were worn. Even doh it passed the mot.

And to add lol I looked under the back end today and my rear shocker's are leaking oil . more probs lol

Thanks for the offer mike and the concern much appreciated, I do still have the steels but just don't want to downgrade now I've got the alloys on I think you'll all know what I mean there lol and no pennies to get any more either

thanks all.

(PS: Without this sounding cheeky lol If anybody in the stoke-on-trent area would want to come have a drive see what they think it is. I would be very gratfull )

 

[missey]

Hopefully someone will be in your area, I would pop over, but think it maybe just a little too far

Have you had your suspension arms looked at?? Have you grabbed your wheels and given them a really hard tug...is there any play in them, cos that could cause these problems from what you have been saying.

And standard shocks are not a vast amount of money, £25 on shop4parts (sure you can get cheaper too) and easy to change

 

[cmgunn3r]

Thanks missey, I understand thanks for the offer

I know the back left rear hub has play in if you tug at the wheel hard but I have'nt check the rest will do that 2morrow, I don't think the back would play up in the steering doh would it? Shockers wise lol cheap'o me will go scrappy and find the best I can lol maybe off a newer model I'm just hoping there's play in the front wheel(s). That would explain it then. Rear suspention wise it does cluck when hitting a speed bump etc at around 15-20mph. Maybe the rubbers have gone? like a metal 2 metal sound.

The shaking is the main prob I want to get sorted just I dont have the brains and money to sort it I've maxed my capital one card out to £500 with this car belive it or not but that does inclued buying it (£150) cat c.
But silly me the cars worth it lol. Its my first car love lol.

Dave

 

[missey]

Yes rear radius arms can make it shake like a moo ... when both of mine had play, I couldn't go over 40 without it juddering like mad, through the steering.

One of my rear arms have gone on my green car at the moment, she squeaks (that didn't happen last time) and the wheel moves inwards at the top if I push up and down on the boot (open the tailgate and get someone to bounce on it) They can squeek, tick or click...I'm sure when both went they clunked..but can't be 100% cos was a few years ago.

If you look at the car from behind, do the wheels look a bit squiffy? sitting at funny angles to the car body? tipping outwards or inwards, rather than square on. /-----\ like that lol excuse the pic
or /----| cos they should really look like |-----|

 

[cmgunn3r]

Nice missey!!! Yes there is quite a bit of play just in that rear 1 hav'nt checked the others yet. will get on it 2moz. fingers crossed eh lol man ur truely god sends on ere

Havnt noticed the alignment of the wheels before, but to be honest have never looked for it

Sounds daft but how do I fix that, Is it rubber bushes?

Ta

 

[cmgunn3r]

btw am liking the diagrams hehe
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/-----\

 

[missey]

Leave the car on the floor, Pull on the top of the wheel, back and forth, to check for radius arm play.
Jack up the car and wobble wheel from each side, to check wheel bearings.

I think in your case atm...no offence meant. But your best bet, take it to garage, tell them that you think rear arms are gone and ask for a quote. Try to sound confident and if they say it's something else, make them explain to you why they would think it was something else, they might not try to rip you then.
Once they said what's wrong, you will know for sure which bits you need, then we can talk you through the job and what it entails

 

[missey]

btw am liking the diagrams hehe
/----|
|-----|
/-----\

Least you know what I meant

 

[cmgunn3r]

hehe thanks for that, and no offence taken, i know small jobs still starting out lol

i'll ask my dad take a look he's been working with cars for year's. I'll send the info to him bloody puntos :bang: lol

thanks missey

 

[cmgunn3r]

**update**

Checked the wheels as suggested by missey. the back left wheel has got about 1cm roughly of play in the bush, I took hold of the wheel at 12/6pm postion and pulled and pushed felt a movment so had a look at the join when i was moving it and it moves left side up rite side down. were as the other side is solid.

So I was going to get this kit from ebay ?http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FIAT-PUNTO-RE...trkparms=65:12|66:2|39:1|72:1683|293:1|294:50
if thats good enough.

my dad said he will have ago if its not too hard? Just wondering what has to be done to do it.

if failing that my half/brother works in a garage he said he'd do it for at home for around £10-£20 if i get the kit. but would like have ago wiv dad 1st lol

thanks