Panda (Classic) Restoring my Sisley

[VmanC]

Ok, we need to rewind and clarify a couple of things.

I'm assuming you are clear on how the caps fit under the heads of the wheel bolts as you have them on the rear ok, is this correct?

The part 'A' is the drive shaft and cannot be easily altered, but there shouldn't be any reason why it needs to be if everything is correct. Two possible things which could be wrong are.....

1. The caps you are trying to fit are the wrong ones. Can you confirm that they are the same as the ones in the Ebay link I posted earlier ( post no.31 ).
2. The driveshaft is fitted incorrectly. There is a washer that fits onto the shaft before it passes through the hub assembly, if I remember correctly, if this is missing the shaft ( part 'A' ) will stick out further. Is it the same situation on both front wheels?

 

[MATCHBOX]

Yes I do have the correct caps as in your link and I do know how to fit them.
The problem is that the drive shafts stick out too far (by about 6mm).
I think your theory about the washers makes sense as both sides are the same.
I'll investigate this further.
Is there any chance that if the washers are missing, the drive shafts will be too long? I get a CV joint knocking noise when steering is fully locked.
thanks again.
Matt

 

[VmanC]

Yes I do have the correct caps as in your link and I do know how to fit them.
The problem is that the drive shafts stick out too far (by about 6mm).
I think your theory about the washers makes sense as both sides are the same.
I'll investigate this further.
Is there any chance that if the washers are missing, the drive shafts will be too long? I get a CV joint knocking noise when steering is fully locked.
thanks again.
Matt

The washers are about 6mm thick so this may be the problem.

If you've got knocking on lock then it sounds like the CV's are worn anyway. The shafts won't be too long as there is only one size, somebody correct me if I'm wrong there.

If I were you I'd fit some washers first and see if this helps with the fitting of the caps and the knocking of the CV's. My guess is that you will be able to get the caps on but still have the knocking, but it's worth a try, it may save you the expence of new CV joints.

 

[MATCHBOX]

The washers are about 6mm thick so this may be the problem.

If you've got knocking on lock then it sounds like the CV's are worn anyway. The shafts won't be too long as there is only one size, somebody correct me if I'm wrong there.

If I were you I'd fit some washers first and see if this helps with the fitting of the caps and the knocking of the CV's. My guess is that you will be able to get the caps on but still have the knocking, but it's worth a try, it may save you the expence of new CV joints.

Thanks VmanC. I have been to the garage and they have confirmed what you have said.
They recommend having the parts when I disassemble the hub to save waiting.
All i need to do now is source the washers!
If anyone knows exactly what I need I would appreciate the help.
The garage said they are 'hat shaped'.
Anyone got an exploded diagram???

 

[default_user]

See post #24 in this thread.

Some of the other posts in this thread may help too as there are some photos in other peoples' posts on this thread.

Those washers are pretty heavy duty and durable. A used pair would be fine, should you turn out to need them. I bet some members on this very forum have some tucked away.

If the washers are missing all that will affect is how far into the gearbox the other end of the shaft goes. This may be your clunking noise on full lock as the spider bearing at the drive end may be running almost out of the drive bit. (Sorry, I don't know what it's called).

 

[Crashtest33]

Hi peeps

You've got me a bit worried now! I didn't have washers between the hub and spline shaft on 'Camel'. Is this a major issue with regard to the position of the spider bearing in the front diff??

 

[default_user]

It may be. Have you tried full lock? Under load it may just be enough to pop the driveshaft out. This will certainly damage the bearings on the end. I know, it's happened to me.

I would fit them if I was you. It could save you a lot more money and hassle in the future.

 

[VmanC]

Don't quote me on this, but I would imagine that the washer sits more squarely on the wheel bearing too compared to the bare CV joint.

 

[MATCHBOX]

Default User. You are a legend.

 

[default_user]

Thanks. I take it you have sorted the problem?