General Winter and your 500

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General Winter and your 500

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First frost of the winter today for me so I thought it would be good to have a sticky as people tend to have some easily resolved issues with their 500's during harsh winters.

Firstly the washers LOVE to freeze up. Halfords washer fluid is especially crap and you tend to end up like this which isn't good.
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I tend to use Holts High Performance screen wash which when used neat is good down to -36. Make sure you mix it slightly stronger than the conditions you're expecting. The rear washer on the 500 is particularly prone to freezing up as it doesn't have the engine bay to warm it up. If the rear washer freezes and the weather continues to be cold there is no way to defrost the rear washer...... You also run the risk of the pipe that connects the washer bottle to the rear washer disconnecting and possibly cracking the pipe too.... You have been warned!!!!!! Premixed stuff only works down to a certain temperature and then you're boned. Don't be lazy, buy some good quality concentrate and mix your own, it's safer and it's far far far cheaper too.

The washer jets on the front also like to slide out of the little washer jet body they sit in if the washer fluid freezes up. Go to the stealership and they'll sort you out quickly enough. Running the right concentration of screenwash in your washer bottle helps to stop this. If this happens you have no front washers and fluid will just dribble out and not even hit the front screen. No washers in a British winter is a recipe for disaster!

One thing I found (I seem to remember others mentioning it also) in the cold weather was that a patch of dirty windsceen would start off in the bottom right hand corner and if you didn't wash the screen frequently it would get bigger and bigger and encroach on your vision and when driving at speed you simply could not wash that corner of the screen and you'd have to stop to do it. Don't be sparing with the screen wash, keep a spare 5 litres in the boot and whenever the screen gets even a bit dirty, give it a good splash. Carrying a funnel in the car makes filling the car up with screenwash a doddle and removing the filter in the screenwash bottle means you can fill up much more quickly.

Icing up on the inside of the screen. This was something a lot of people complained about last year. Basically it works like this, the warmer air is, the more moisture it can contain. So if you heat up the inside of your car so it's nice and toasty warm and I don't heat up the inside of my car and we both park up next to each other and leave our cars overnight, you've got a much higher chance of coming back to find ice on the inside of your front screen. That's because once there is too much moisture for the air to contain, it must condense on something and the windows being the coolest surfaces on the inside of the car will be where it condenses and then freezes . The best way to manage this is when you're gettting near to your destination, open the windows just a little bit and turning the heat down gradually whilst having the fan on 4. This will slowly cool down the inside of the car and force the warm moist air outside so. Removing any snow on the inside of the car or any damp or wet clothing, shoes or cloths or mats will help minimise the amount of moisture on the inside of the car also. I've still had my screen freeze

Don't use your wipers if there is a thick coating of ice on the screen or the washer blades are frozen to the screen, you run the risk of doing damage to the motor. The same applies to your windows, if they're frozen shut don't try to use the electric window motors to unstick them!

Another thing, I would advise against running your car to clear the screens. Whilst you may think that warming the car up is kind on it, that is not really true, idling the car doesn't produce a huge amount of heat and means that the car willing be running whilst cold for longer and you will actually experience more engine wear. Of course if you're one of those people that can't get into a car unless it's tropical inside I suspect you won't heed my advice, but it was worth saying. Just remember that it's not just the engine that needs to warm up, brakes need to get up to operating temperature, wheel bearings, tyres, the gearbox and even the dampers. Just because you've idled the engine for half an hour doesn't mean the whole car is warmed up, just the engine. Personally I de-ice the car, get in, belt up and drive off gently. Idling your car without you in it is also a massive waste of fuel and money.

Your fuel economy will fall during cold weather, reckon on getting at least 10% lower fuel economy during the winter. You will loose more fuel economy if you like having the heater on too. Personally I only run the heater when absolutely necessary and if possible, only when the water temp gauge is at its normal point. If you let the car warm up before you put the heater on you'll get better fuel economy :)

Finally (and predictably!) if there is heavy snow or lots of ice on the road, you may find that the tyres which the 500 comes with are less than optimal in terms of braking, steering and traction. This is because the tyres fitted as standard and by 99.999% of tyre shops in the UK are summer tyres and as such don't perform very well at all in the winter. I won't go further into it on here because people will laugh and there's also an 1100+ post epic with all that information in it already https://www.fiatforum.com/500/166084-winter-tyres-people-going.html

A video which shows the benefits very clearly :)


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Safe and happy 500 motoring :D
 
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A good load of info on the screen wash. The one thing people should never do (but many still do it) is put washing up liquid in the screen wash reservoir. Washing up liquid contains salt which will in the end just damage the paintwork.

The only worse thing than this is not putting any screen wash in at all. For those who are not aware, the Legionella bacteria (Leading to Legionnaires disease through warm stagnant water) can form in screen wash reservoirs where no screen wash is present. Putting in screen wash will prevent this because the bacteria cannot grow where it is present.
 
Excellent post Maxi.

I'll just add a warning not to defrost the car by pouring a kettle of hot water over it (unless you want to start a 'My windscreen has just cracked & I need to replace it' thread). Crazy I know but I've seen folks doing it:bang:.

Fuel economy really gets hammered when cold on petrol 500s (the Panda is even worse though:mad:). I can't help thinking FIAT could do more for those of us in northern climates - for example, oil & coolant preheaters, thermostatic front grille flaps, & more aggressive low temperature mapping (which might need better quality ignition components). IMO these sort of things would improve real world economy far more than. for example, fitting S/S.

I'm going to experiment with some bits of cardboard over the grille once it gets really cold - it'll be interesting to see if I can get a measureable low temp economy improvement.
 
I can't help thinking FIAT could do more for those of us in northern climates - for example, oil & coolant preheaters, thermostatic front grille flaps, & more aggressive low temperature mapping (which might need better quality ignition components).

Am I right in thinking the US model 500 has a preheater as an option?
 
Great post, thank you for the heads up... I always seem to forget about the wiper fluid and the radiator fluid.

RnR
 
Am I right in thinking the US model 500 has a preheater as an option?

Yup, believe so.

Wonder how long before someone there drives off with one still plugged in, strangles the cat, electrocutes the mistress & then sues FIAT for $1000 million for producing a 'dangerous product'? :bang:.
 
Excellent post Maxi.

I'll just add a warning not to defrost the car by pouring a kettle of hot water over it (unless you want to start a 'My windscreen has just cracked & I need to replace it' thread). Crazy I know but I've seen folks doing it:bang:.

Fuel economy really gets hammered when cold on petrol 500s (the Panda is even worse though:mad:). I can't help thinking FIAT could do more for those of us in northern climates - for example, oil & coolant preheaters, thermostatic front grille flaps, & more aggressive low temperature mapping (which might need better quality ignition components). IMO these sort of things would improve real world economy far more than. for example, fitting S/S.

I'm going to experiment with some bits of cardboard over the grille once it gets really cold - it'll be interesting to see if I can get a measureable low temp economy improvement.
Well I did think that was so obvious I didn't need to say it because if you're daft enough to defrost with hot water then you deserve a cracked screen.

I have to say that when we move to a bigger house within the next year or so I will be looking at how easy it would be to install a block heater and perhaps even a battery heater.

http://www.padheaters.com/battery_heater.html
http://www.metrompg.com/posts/block-heater.htm
 
Yup, believe so.

Wonder how long before someone there drives off with one still plugged in, strangles the cat, electrocutes the mistress & then sues FIAT for $1000 million for producing a 'dangerous product'? :bang:.

Well block heaters are fairly common in the Northern parts of the US and in Canada so I very much suspect that it's on the drivers head :)
 
I bought a car cover for my car last year (I don't have a garage) and I found it made a massive difference.

You do need to make sure that the windows are dry before you put the cover on (which is quite an interesting challenge if it's already raining, but it can be done!).

I felt very smug all last year cos all my neighbours would spend half an hour de-icing their cars, and I'd just wander out there, whip the cover off and TA-DA!! :D
 
Another tip for the front window is to buy one of the cheap car sun shades and put if between the wipers and the window. This will prevent the windows from icing up. Works a treat.

RnR
 
First frost this morning here too! My 500 warned me the roads might be icy and displayed a wee frost symbol I didn't know was there. Clever car :yum:
 
My 500 is always in the garage over night so I hardly ever see any frost on it.
 
My 500 is always in the garage over night so I hardly ever see any frost on it.

Agreed, the garage is a great place for keeping the frost off the car, as well as keeping it safe from a theft perspective. The garage environment in winter though, can sometimes have a serious impact upon the vehicle if it (the garage) is not correctly air-conditioned. I had a bitter experience whereby I garaged a previous vehicle from new for over five years throughout both summer and winter (the vehicle was in daily use). The issue with winter garaging, was that generally at the end of the working day, the car would often go into the garage wet and sometimes covered in snow, and indeed was often still wet when taking it out of the garage the following morning. The car ended up having body panels replaced due to excessive internal corrosion. I noticed the corrosion because the I was getting excessive bubbling of the paint around the wheel arches. The work was repaired under warranty, however it reappeared again only two years later and only when the panels were taken off, was the extent of the damage revealed.

True, it may not affect all cars and very much depends on how well the paint and undersealing has been applied by the manufacturer, but when I saw the body panels that had been replaced, I was shocked at what had happened. The panel fitters at the body shop that did the replacement work, actually pointed out to me that it was highly likely what had occurred was as a direct result of garaging the car wet during the winter months without adequate air-conditioning. Their advice to me was during the winter months, to leave the car outside to give it the opportunity on non rainy days, to dry out properly.

Consequently as a result and because I don't have the luxury of an air-conditioned garage, both of my 'on the road' vehicles are no longer garaged.
 
Agreed, the garage is a great place for keeping the frost off the car, as well as keeping it safe from a theft perspective. The garage environment in winter though, can sometimes have a serious impact upon the vehicle if it (the garage) is not correctly air-conditioned. I had a bitter experience whereby I garaged a previous vehicle from new for over five years throughout both summer and winter (the vehicle was in daily use). The issue with winter garaging, was that generally at the end of the working day, the car would often go into the garage wet and sometimes covered in snow, and indeed was often still wet when taking it out of the garage the following morning. The car ended up having body panels replaced due to excessive internal corrosion. I noticed the corrosion because the I was getting excessive bubbling of the paint around the wheel arches. The work was repaired under warranty, however it reappeared again only two years later and only when the panels were taken off, was the extent of the damage revealed.

True, it may not affect all cars and very much depends on how well the paint and undersealing has been applied by the manufacturer, but when I saw the body panels that had been replaced, I was shocked at what had happened. The panel fitters at the body shop that did the replacement work, actually pointed out to me that it was highly likely what had occurred was as a direct result of garaging the car wet during the winter months without adequate air-conditioning. Their advice to me was during the winter months, to leave the car outside to give it the opportunity on non rainy days, to dry out properly.

Consequently as a result and because I don't have the luxury of an air-conditioned garage, both of my 'on the road' vehicles are no longer garaged.

Serves you right for buying an MGB GT.
 
tepid water works well though, if you are brave/stupid enough :D
That is what I tend to do - a jug or two of water, probably less than tepid to be fair - straight over the windows, poured from the top.

Never caused me any issues and defrosts the car immediately :)

I would never use boiling water though!
 
Sorry for what seems like a complete sense of humour failure, but I haven't got a clue what your going on about:confused:

Sorry - it was memories of rusting MG's from my youth - suggesting it was the quality of the car that caused the rust, not the garaging.

Intended to be funny. Clearly was a rubbish joke. Much like the corrosion protection of British Leyland.

I'll get me coat.
 
Sorry - it was memories of rusting MG's from my youth - suggesting it was the quality of the car that caused the rust, not the garaging.

Intended to be funny. Clearly was a rubbish joke. Much like the corrosion protection of British Leyland.

I'll get me coat.

I got it! :p Perhaps you should have said Lancia Beta?
 
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