Removing a car engine the "Russian" way

[SB1500]

The Ukranians would probably remove it using very expensive tools that we or the US paid for ...

Just kidding! Down with Putin... and any dictator. Ukraine aren't saints, but they don't deserve this from a bully like him. He's a s*** stain on the good people, history of and culture of the Russians.

Only my opinion, not arguing or getting into one over it. Only brings down the best forum on the web.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Yes 100% the Nazis are murdering innocent civilians. They have been doing that since 2014.

So the Russians didn’t start anything…. By say invading another sovereign country….. at this point even the Russian government have dropped the pretence this is about “nazis’ I’d love to know what news sources you read or are you just a Russian bot?

 

[Blackie27]

So the Russians didn’t start anything…. By say invading another sovereign country….. at this point even the Russian government have dropped the pretence this is about “nazis’ I’d love to know what news sources you read or are you just a Russian bot?

Firstly No, I am not a Russian Bot.!
Secondly Russia intervened at the request of the democratically elected leaders from the Donbas, Zaporizhia, and Kherson regions. Because Ukraine and her Nazi's murderers were slaughtering (over 14,00 men, women and children) the ethnic Russians and Ukrainian citizens who lived in those areas since 2014.
All because they did not agree with the coup that happened in 2014 and was instigated by the CIA and the US assistant secretary of state, Victoria Nuland. (google her)
You just have to open your eyes and look for the truth, instead of being brainwashed by the British media and it's government propagandist's.
Russia did not start the conflict in 2022.,it had already started in 2014 and some would say even before then.

 

[SB1500]

, instead of being brainwashed by the British media and it's government propagandist'

Hmmm.... I mean, our country definitely has problems, and so does our media - no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure between the UK Gov and Russia Regime, that we'd be on the worse side of things. At the end of the day, although we have idiots for MPs, we can (and do) vote them out (and in). We can protest outside parliament. We can even make fun of them, the media can publish embarrassing stories about them, we can pretty much become famous for insulting them and criticising them, argue with each other (and them) until we're blue in the face.. and still not fear for our lives or safety. I don't think Russians today have those same freedoms, nor the press :-(

On the other hand, the majority of Russia's internet is fast disappearing behind a national firewall... sound familiar? The CCP dictatorship has something like this. Is this really where you'd imagine their population wants to be, or the direction any free country should be headed?

It seems to me that perhaps you've bought into the propaganda by an actual dictators government - right? I watched the Tucker Carlson interview with Putler last year and it was fascinating. When you listen to him speak, and how he explains the history, you'd nearly think he's nothing more than a patriotic leader 'doing the right thing', but of course, there's far too much in the way of facts, human rights violations and global sanctions against him to take anything he says serious.

Each to their own opinion and all that. I don't think anyone here or from the UK would disagree that our media is full of crap, most of the time, but for every biased, nutjob perspective, there's other outlets critical of that view and with their own, and everything in between. Putler won't give his own people that right and the direction he's taking the country will be looked back on some day with as much shame as Germans look back at their history in the mid 20th century. Although at least with the Russian side, they won't need to feel in any way accountable for 'voting him in', given that he pretty much changed the law and made himself the indefinite leader... I mean come on, forgetting everything else here, how do you justify that one? I get that way back, he legitimately, democratically got in and that was fine. But how in the hell do you seriously criticise the UK in defence of a country with an actual, dictator?

Also, just having a fun discussion here. Not taking it too seriously. But mods if this is going in a bad direction please feel free to delete or whatever

 

[PuntoHowTo]

You just have to open your eyes and look for the truth, instead of being brainwashed by the British media and it's government propagandist's.
Russia did not start the conflict in 2022.,it had already started in 2014 and some would say even before then.

ah-hu

So you’re not at all influenced by Russian propaganda…..

 

[Blackie27]

ah-hu

So you’re not at all influenced by Russian propaganda…..

So your saying the coup in 2014 is Russian propaganda? WOW the Russians must be really great at fooling the whole of the world into believing a coup happened in 2014.
Russian propaganda was so good it had ALL the western media reporting on the events that were happening in Ukraine.
Here is an article published by Harvard University, hardly a Russian or Putin propagandist outlet.
https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

Angela Merkle and François Hollande both came out publicly in the spring 2023, stating that the signing of the "Minsk agreements" were a rouse to buy Ukraine time, to build up their army and military positions. ALL helped by the West and NATO to enable Ukraine to take on Russia.

To answer your question. No! I am not influenced by Russian propaganda or any other countries propaganda for that matter.. I listen to what's happening, who is stating or saying what. Then I do my own research before coming to a conclusion on the facts.

I am not on this brilliant forum to argue with anyone, as it is not for that. But silly ignorant comments deserve a reply.

 

[Blackie27]

Hmmm.... I mean, our country definitely has problems, and so does our media - no doubt about that. But I'm not so sure between the UK Gov and Russia Regime, that we'd be on the worse side of things. At the end of the day, although we have idiots for MPs, we can (and do) vote them out (and in). We can protest outside parliament. We can even make fun of them, the media can publish embarrassing stories about them, we can pretty much become famous for insulting them and criticising them, argue with each other (and them) until we're blue in the face.. and still not fear for our lives or safety. I don't think Russians today have those same freedoms, nor the press :-(

On the other hand, the majority of Russia's internet is fast disappearing behind a national firewall... sound familiar? The CCP dictatorship has something like this. Is this really where you'd imagine their population wants to be, or the direction any free country should be headed?

It seems to me that perhaps you've bought into the propaganda by an actual dictators government - right? I watched the Tucker Carlson interview with Putler last year and it was fascinating. When you listen to him speak, and how he explains the history, you'd nearly think he's nothing more than a patriotic leader 'doing the right thing', but of course, there's far too much in the way of facts, human rights violations and global sanctions against him to take anything he says serious.

Each to their own opinion and all that. I don't think anyone here or from the UK would disagree that our media is full of crap, most of the time, but for every biased, nutjob perspective, there's other outlets critical of that view and with their own, and everything in between. Putler won't give his own people that right and the direction he's taking the country will be looked back on some day with as much shame as Germans look back at their history in the mid 20th century. Although at least with the Russian side, they won't need to feel in any way accountable for 'voting him in', given that he pretty much changed the law and made himself the indefinite leader... I mean come on, forgetting everything else here, how do you justify that one? I get that way back, he legitimately, democratically got in and that was fine. But how in the hell do you seriously criticise the UK in defence of a country with an actual, dictator?
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Also, just having a fun discussion here. Not taking it too seriously. But mods if this is going in a bad direction please feel free to delete or whatever

 

[SB1500]

I see your reply above Blackie27, but it looks blank - not sure your response sent.

I am not on this brilliant forum to argue with anyone, as it is not for that. But silly ignorant comments deserve a reply.

We all agree that Fiat's are the best cars on both UK and Russian roads alike, right?

 

[Blackie27]

Where do I begin with that rubbish.

Our so-called bastions of Democracy troll internet social media and arrest them and give them criminal convictions for saying hurty words online.
Our so-called bastions of Democracy arrest people for standing across the road from an abortion clinic and silently praying for God to forgive them.
Our so-called bastions of Democracy arrest a 61yo man for demonstrating and shouting hurty words to those invaders who have been allowed to come here illegally and murder little school girls. Not only was he arrested on the Saturday, but put before a Judge on the Monday and thrown into jail on the Tuesday and died a few weeks later in jail. That's even super fast by Russian and Putin standards.
Then lastly I will mention Julian Assange. Our great democratic country jailed him without even going to trial.
WOW and you say Russia is bad dictatorship.

That's all I will say on this matter as this forum is not for this topic.

 

[SB1500]

Where do I begin with that rubbish.

Our so-called bastions of Democracy troll internet social media and arrest them and give them criminal convictions for saying hurty words online.
Our so-called bastions of Democracy arrest people for standing across the road from an abortion clinic and silently praying for God to forgive them.
Our so-called bastions of Democracy arrest a 61yo man for demonstrating and shouting hurty words to those invaders who have been allowed to come here illegally and murder little school girls. Not only was he arrested on the Saturday, but put before a Judge on the Monday and thrown into jail on the Tuesday and died a few weeks later in jail. That's even super fast by Russian and Putin standards.
Then lastly I will mention Julian Assange. Our great democratic country jailed him without even going to trial.
WOW and you say Russia is bad dictatorship.

That's all I will say on this matter as this forum is not for this topic.

You make valid points there, and I definitely wouldn't argue with them. I would agree we have those issues and more.

The only thing I would say is, in the cases of both our countries, the average everyday people - especially those of us working age / having to make a living - we look at the leaders sometimes and disagree and are disgusted by some of their stances / decisions. It will probably always be that way. But no matter what I think of a given countries leadership, I don't think it's a reflection of the people and their cultures and their value as individuals.

True, politics never goes well on here! (or ever). As long as we agree on Italian cars, I think we will always have a reason to come together and share value. Regardless of the world stage.

 

[Blackie27]

You make valid points there, and I definitely wouldn't argue with them. I would agree we have those issues and more.

The only thing I would say is, in the cases of both our countries, the average everyday people - especially those of us working age / having to make a living - we look at the leaders sometimes and disagree and are disgusted by some of their stances / decisions. It will probably always be that way. But no matter what I think of a given countries leadership, I don't think it's a reflection of the people and their cultures and their value as individuals.

True, politics never goes well on here! (or ever). As long as we agree on Italian cars, I think we will always have a reason to come together and share value. Regardless of the world stage.

Ditto.

 

[Blackie27]

Ditto.

think debating amongst us mere mortals is a healthy thing and we all know we can not always be right, but as long as we have respect for each other opinions, then that is a health thing. And great things can come from that.

 

[SB1500]

think debating amongst us mere mortals is a healthy thing and we all know we can not always be right, but as long as we have respect for each other opinions, then that is a health thing. And great things can come from that.

Yes, very true. And if we can be civil and cooperate, nobody can divide us.

 

[Blackie27]

Yes, very true. And if we can be civil and cooperate, nobody can divide us.

Yes divided we fall.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

So your saying the coup in 2014 is Russian propaganda? WOW the Russians must be really great at fooling the whole of the world into believing a coup happened in 2014.

well they made you believe it…

What you’re talking about is the revolution of dignity that took place following the formation of the Azrov? Government in 2012.

The party elected to govern in 2012 had claimed to be a pro-European government and in doing so secured the public vote but following that they changed their tune and suddenly backed Russia, and dropped all plans to align themselves more with Europe, a decision for which they had no mandate….

That the coup you were talking about? The one where thousands of civilian protestors where fired on by government snipers and armed forces personal under the direction of the questionably illegally elected prime minister, who on leaving office fled as a political refugee to, can you guess? Russia !!!

The so called “nazi forces” you talk about in the Ukraine were the ones backed by Russia during the begining of the Ukrainian-Russo conflict in 2014 and were heavily backed with Russian millatary equipment to fight against the Ukrainian armed forces…. If you’ll remember the were the ones who shot down a civilian aircraft with a Russian anti-aircraft system, and the Russians were the ones who wanted to cover that up…. Pretend it didn’t happen… like the Christmas Day air crash last year was nothing to do with Russia either the one that crashed in Kazakhstan after Russian ATC re-routed them across the Caspian Sea.

Getting back to the Ukraine or rather the current conflict in between Russia and Ukraine. Who is it who started by walking into the other country’s territory. Who invaded who in 2014?
The article you linked, you’ve either not read it or not understood it, maybe you only read the bits you wanted but it basically lays out the Russians intentions to prevent the Ukraine from forming any sort of alliance with any other country and demilitarising Ukrainian territory while there was no threat to invade Russia or any specific reason that Russia should have been involving themselves with the Ukraine…..

I could continue to cite atrocities undertaken by Russian forces not only towards the Ukraine but towards their own people. How ever I suspect you’d put it all down to propaganda.

If you like Russia so much perhaps you should go and live their rather than here in the west, where you are clearly being controlled and suppressed by our dictatorship government.

Perhaps you could do some more “research” around some of the groups fighting for “independence” in the occupied regions of the Ukraine and their views such as the far right, white supremacist, fascist SPARTA battalion.
You could then look up Igor Girkin and his involvement in the shooting down of MH17 and his self professed claims of organising and arming militia in eastern Ukraine under the instruction of Russia and his Russian Nationalist beliefs which closely align with those of Stalin, and we all know what a nice guy Stalin was.

Do educate me though, I’d love to know where you get your “News”

 

[Blackie27]

well they made you believe it…

What you’re talking about is the revolution of dignity that took place following the formation of the Azrov? Government in 2012.

The party elected to govern in 2012 had claimed to be a pro-European government and in doing so secured the public vote but following that they changed their tune and suddenly backed Russia, and dropped all plans to align themselves more with Europe, a decision for which they had no mandate….

That the coup you were talking about? The one where thousands of civilian protestors where fired on by government snipers and armed forces personal under the direction of the questionably illegally elected prime minister.

The so called “nazi forces” you talk about in the Ukraine were the ones backed by Russia during the begining of the Ukrainian-Russo conflict in 2014 and were heavily backed with Russian millatary equipment to fight against the Ukrainian armed forces…. If you’ll remember the were the ones who shot down a civilian aircraft with a Russian anti-aircraft system, and the Russians were the ones who wanted to cover that up…. Pretend it didn’t happen… like the Christmas Day air crash last year was nothing to do with Russia either the one that crashed in Kazakhstan after Russian ATC re-routed them across the Caspian Sea.

Getting back to the Ukraine or rather the current conflict in between Russia and Ukraine. Who is it who started by walking into the other country’s territory. Who invaded who in 2014?
The article you linked, you’ve either not read it or not understood it, maybe you only read the bits you wanted but it basically lays out the Russians intentions to prevent the Ukraine from forming any sort of alliance with any other country and demilitarising Ukrainian territory while there was no threat to invade Russia or any specific reason that Russia should have been involving themselves with the Ukraine…..

I could continue to cite atrocities undertaken by Russian forces not only towards the Ukraine but towards their own people. How ever I suspect you’d put it all down to propaganda.

If you like Russia so much perhaps you should go and live their rather than here in the west, where you are clearly being controlled and suppressed by our dictatorship government.

The "Azov Battalion" are Ukrainian right wing Nazi's not Russian
The aircraft you mentioned was shot down by a BUK-2 missile and was old Soviet stock, that was in the hands of the Ukrainians after the fall of the Soviet Union in the 90's
If I were 30 years younger I would emigrate to Russia in a heartbeat.