Name calling in a fight over a spreadsheet only makes one person look bad.
General Real World 500 cost comparison
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I just didnt like the agenda which I felt was going on here.
Like I said on the other thread, Im open minded overall, appreciate that choice is a largely emotional decision, I bought an MJD but if i was in the market now i'd probably go for the TA. Now because I didnt go with the anti diesel stance the insults started to fly and the brick wall went up.
When I even mentioned that TA and diesel costs were comparable (even the troll largely agreed £150 or so was the total difference for average miles/ ownership period) it didnt stop there.
The costs are what they are, my spreadsheet model makes it clear for all to see. Just select the variable values you think are appropriate and it spits the answers out at the bottom. So simple even the troll can use it, in fact they've probably got all the fields completed already.
Now the troll had a golden opportunity to incorporate his self proclaimed extensive knowledge into assisting with determining values for the variable elements (BLUE CELLS) so every new buyer would have a clear picture of what the total costs are likely to be for each variant. Not some mythical "You need to drive 30k miles a yr for the diesel to break even" but the real picture. For whatever reason they decided not to do this.
I wonder if he/ she works in Fiat's marketing dept and they have a glut of TA's to shift? I dunno
You've really got a bee under your bonnet about this. it was in fact Michael (loveshandbags) who mentioned the 30k figure.
I've reported you for this silly trolling allegation thing as well as it's rather childish, annoying and completely uncalled for.
I had a golden opportunity? What? You wanted me to go on the Fiat website and get the costs for each model and then suply them to you, it's not like Fiat keeps the prices secret, they're clearly there on the website for all to see.
Many times in the other thread I gave REAL WORLD (as in what other users on here have ACTUALLY experienced) examples of fuel consumption and tyre wear which you could easily have included but inexplicably chose not to.
To put myself in the shoes of a person looking to buy a 500 I'm going to open your spreadsheet and do what? I don't know how long the tyres are going to last, so I'll take your values at face value. According to the book values a twinair is more economical than a 1.2 so I'll assume that your values are correct. Service costs? Well you took the time to make that spreadsheet and those values don't look too far off.....
What would have been much better would have been to seed the calculator (let's not be silly by calling it a model ffs) with values that are more typical of what a user might achieve would be more helpful or at very least having a comments section where you say "with a twinair you're likely to get between x and y mpg". Like I said, if a person knows the actual running costs of a 500 then why do they even need a spreadsheet? With these sort of things you should always assume that the person using it knows nothing so give them the information they need to get the best out of the spreadsheet.
Or me. Mine was actually averaging at 41. The Yaris is averaging 43.8.
Exactly why you should give people a range of figures to work with. You got 41, I get 48 and jrkitching gets 59.6.
What I like about this thread is that, regardless of whose spreadsheet you favour, it's made us all think a bit more about how all the various costs of car ownership break down. In particular, it's drawn attention to the fact that the headline price of the different models & options isn't the whole story, and that, for some of us at least, we also need to think about the ongoing costs if we're going to be able to enjoy our toys without crippling our finances.
Thanks to both spreadsheet providers - I'm not going to take sides
Definitely.
I just wish cowabunga would stop making silly allegations like that I'm trolling and would just take some advice from someone who actually knows as to what the relative service and tyres costs are
This sort of thing is fine for someone who like say myself or jrkitching or arorat or rkt2003 who, through being on here for a good deal of time know how long a set of tyres will last.
It's quite funny that he seems to have gone out of his way to make a better spreadsheet (like I said mine only took 5 minutes or so) just to prove that he can make a better spreadsheet than me.
Or me. Mine was actually averaging at 41. The Yaris is averaging 43.8.
I hired a 1.2 for 4 days and through mixed driving got about 43 or something, cant exactly remember but it was about that. But like I say there just arbitrary values for the user to fill in.
Ideally what I'd like is for someone to come along who has a lot of experience of all models of the Fiat 500 with a balanced unbiased view and just fill the variables in (Blue cells) to what they believe likely variables will be and then repost on the thread. It would certainly help me and I'm sure it would help those who are close to purchasing and need financial guidance in these times of hardship.
I've learnt a fair bit so far, and surprised with what appears to be virtually insignificant difference cost wise between the variants. For the lounge variants (and like I said above Im happy to be corrected on the arbitrary values ive used), it would appear that for most people to be less than £500 difference between all 3 (the 1.2/ TA/ MJD) for 12k miles pa and 3.5 yr ownership period. Not a lot really (say 3.5%) when total costs are in the region of £14k.
Anyway, like I said, it would be good if someone with a lot of knowledge turns up over the wkend and modifies my variables.
You were offered values and you refused to use them.
It's fantastic to finally meet someone even more stubborn than me........
And so it goes on and...........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAoTA3t_yk
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It just makes me chuckle. Admittedly I'm a rather stubborn person, but when I come across someone like this I have to doff my cap to him...... I've had a fun evening of updating the firmware on my hard drive so it doesn't BSOD 10 times a day, I've installed the Windows 8 on my PC and watch a couple of nice shows with the wife on the couch. I'm not annoyed really, if anything I'm rather amused by todays festivities
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I'm not annoyed really, if anything I'm rather amused by todays festivities
Yes me too its my birthday iv`e been in and out the house now back after a nice meal
Happy birthday.
Happy Birthday
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Yes me too its my birthday iv`e been in and out the house now back after a nice meal
Happy birthday and I hope you had a nice meal. It's good to be 25 all over again !
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Partnership is all about combining the best skills of a group of individuals and harnessing it. There are some many variables to the costs of owning cars and a probability factor could be factored in on what can go wrong.
Personally I'm a little sceptic of 'bean counters' but we do need someone to nag us a bit on what our cars are actually costing us. If I knew of some of the costs that I had to pay on 'past' cars I would never have bought them. I might be a little more cash poor now but I'll glad for the most part that I had the privilege to have had them, driven them and enjoyed them. If you dig into the actual costs of owing a Porsche a lot of these owners hide their real running costs under carpet and are embarrased to admit how much they actually spend on their cars. I reckon this may also apply to some A500 owners where their cars have lived in the 'fast lane'.
When I came on the FF several months ago I was re-assured that the turbo technology had 'come on a lot' and there was nothing to worry about. Of the 3 choices being put forward only one model is a NA model. If you look at Parkers valuations of turbo charged cars verus NA models the price difference narrows a lot getting close to parity at around the 5 year mark when a question mark hangs over some of the 'maintenance' items. In some cars e.g the turbocharged Audis a 'magic' mileage figure is 88K miles. Getting an answer on how long a turbo lasts isn't easy and the life of it could well come down to doing oil changes mid cycle to the manufacturers schedule. I would applaud your inputs on the spreadsheet but from what I have learned on the FF on the 'short' time that I've been here I realise how little I actually know.
Possibly the most forward-thinking sentence I've read here since joining the forum.
For those who visit this thread and cannot find the most recent version of the model I created, it's post #35 (Page 3) of this thread. Named as version 5.
In due course I think i'll create a separate thread with just updates so it doesnt get lost in commentary.
In due course I think i'll create a separate thread with just updates so it doesnt get lost in commentary.
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