if you really want a cheap small Fiat you should buy Panda
Cooling things down a bit ,i like the look of the new panda ,sure to take a few sales off the 500/punto in this economic down turning times.
General Real World 500 cost comparison
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Cooling things down a bit ,i like the look of the new panda ,sure to take a few sales off the 500/punto in this economic down turning times.
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One day Maxi and Cowabunga will sit down and tell their grandchildren about the Friday in December back in 2011 when they had a big bad-tempered fight with a total stranger about who created a better spreadsheet about car tyres ... and their grandchildren will wonder why grandad used to be such a weirdo.
Cooling things down a bit ,i like the look of the new panda ,sure to take a few sales off the 500/punto in this economic down turning times.
FIAT need to keep it cheap. Max £6500 OTR for the entry level model in the UK (after discounting of course).
There's no point pricing it close to the 500 or they'll just be competing with themselves.
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(When I say "their" grandchildren I mean each of them will have their own - I don't think it's looking good for them to start a family together.)
Aaw this is fantastic.
Of course he hasnt. Just doesnt understand how basic his methodology and mindset is.
In all the excitement I forgot about tyres (Only likely to be 2-3% of total cost but a critical ommission according to some which makes my model wortless, lol) , I will revise and submit as V4 shortly.
In the meantime ask the troll to post his v basic model he posted on the other thread, we could all do with a good laugh again.
Wow. Just WOW. You criticise me for my model being basic and when asked what you think should change you refuse to say what you'd do differently. You obviously did this all with the view to taking some time to do a spreadsheet so as to show me up for some petty/childish reason. That's like taking 5 hours to do a painting just so you can show up someone who did a basic 5 minute back of a piece of fagpaper drawing. If you'd wanted me to put other stuff in then I would have happily done so. Tbh there is actually very little difference between the two spreadsheets in their function save for the fact that mine took 5 minutes to do, doesn't look as pretty as yours. I've noticed that you've also password protected it as well so I can't steal your precious work
Give me half an our or an hour and I'll make something better and more accurate. I know it's petty, but I'm admittedly a very petty person, but a helpful petty person at least unlike your good self.All you've done is posted a standard total cost of ownership calculator and the only things which your calculator brings in which are specific to the models is the cost of the car initially and the tax. Someone who knows nothing about the differences between the model is going to have no idea at all as to what figures to put in and the ones you've put in are wildly inaccurate. 43mpg for a 1.2? Only if someone is driving really poorly! That same person is never going to get 59mpg out of an MJ, not in a million years.
Do you own shares in the companies who manufacture components specifically for the MJ engines in the 500 or something?
Mmn knowing the uk market i wish your prices were true ,but looking at the current Panda prices i think around £8500> perhaps but i hope your right.
Mmn knowing the uk market i wish your prices were true ,but looking at the current Panda prices i think around £8500> perhaps but i hope your right.
Last time I looked (which was only a few minutes ago) it was possible to buy a brand new entry level current model Panda for £5895.
Put that into your spreadsheets, guys!
Do you want me to? lol
Now come on now this is getting way out of hand !! do by all means do a spreadsheet each to help everyone thats what we are trying to do (or you two are) but please not so personnel!!
Yes i know those 1.1 active`s are certainly cheap ,but like i said its a new car with lots more tech to it and will possibly be 1-1.5k under the current 500 imho
Going off topic here, but FYI the Fiatblog website has got some snippets in terms of the new Panda range and likely prices in the Netherlands.
http://www.fiatblog.nl/?p=11995
According to this the base model will be just over €9,000. We will have to see what the specs looks like in the UK next year.
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Now come on now this is getting way out of hand !! do by all means do a spreadsheet each to help everyone thats what we are trying to do (or you two are) but please not so personnel!!
Is it just me or is there the sound of duelling banjos playing in the background of this thread?
Version 5 with the panda's included. read it and weep
I had to put the discount percentage up to 31% to get the price down to £5,912 (close to the £5,895 quoted).
Opens your eyes a bit, lol.
One thing I would stress if you have missed earlier posts is the BLUE fields are variable values. There are potential values in each of these boxes already but have just been chosen at random.
For example if you think my 47mpg for the TA variant is too low, increase/ decrease as you see fit, likewise for servicing/ tyres. Despite what my troll seems to infer I am not trying to dictate the variable values in any way at all, that is for the user to determine.
read it and weep I had to put the discount percentage up to 31% to get the price down to £5,912 (close to the £5,895 quoted).
Opens your eyes a bit, lol.
One thing I would stress if you have missed earlier posts is the BLUE fields are variable values. There are potential values in each of these boxes already but have just been chosen at random.
For example if you think my 47mpg for the TA variant is too low, increase/ decrease as you see fit, likewise for servicing/ tyres. Despite what my troll seems to infer I am not trying to dictate the variable values in any way at all, that is for the user to determine.
Now come on now this is getting way out of hand !! do by all means do a spreadsheet each to help everyone thats what we are trying to do (or you two are) but please not so personnel!!
You know me, I just get pissed off when you give someone good advice and they intentionally ignore it.
As I've said time and time again when it comes to subjective things like "which engine is the best" and so on then I think people can whatever they want because they're all different, but for someone to go out of their way to make one engine look better than another is silly.
Case in point is cowabunga's v4 spreadsheet
Tyre life for a 1.2 25k miles! What?!?!?!?! I've had 22-23k miles out of my tyres and tyres and they've still got 5.5-6mm of tread left. They'll be good for at least 35-40k miles. Now I accept that some people will be harsher on their tyres, but there is no way the average person is going to get 80% of the tyre life of a 1.2 if they're driving an MJ. It just isn't happening.
And the MPG's put in as standard figures.
1.2 43 mpg!!!! who's driving? Fangio?
Twinair 47 mpg which directly contradicts the figures that most people have which is that the twinair does 10% less mpg than a 1.2
1.3 MJ which funnily enough does towards the top end of the scale......
Even fudging the figures the MJ still turns out more expensive too!
The service costs are a joke too. I challenge you to get those prices for 3 years of servicing
All this shows is how Cowabunga might be able to assemble a perfectly serviceable spreadsheet, but his/her actual knowledge of the running costs of 500 aren't all that good. Give me a bit of time this weekend and I'll come up with something that's purty and not just pie in the sky nonsense
Version 5 with the panda's included.
I had to put the discount percentage up to 31% to get the price down to £5,912 (close to the £5,895 quoted).
Opens your eyes a bit, lol.
One thing I would stress if you have missed earlier posts is the BLUE fields are variable values. There are potential values in each of these boxes already but have just been chosen at random.
For example if you think my 47mpg for the TA variant is too low, increase/ decrease as you see fit, likewise for servicing/ tyres. Despite what my troll seems to infer I am not trying to dictate the variable values in any way at all, that is for the user to determine.
Of course the blue values are variable. But you require the person who is using the calculator to actually know how long a set of tyres is going to last, how much a service is going to cost. If they knew all these costs they wouldn't be using your spreadsheet.......
You know me, I just get pissed off when you give someone good advice and they intentionally ignore it.
As I've said time and time again when it comes to subjective things like "which engine is the best" and so on then I think people can whatever they want because they're all different, but for someone to go out of their way to make one engine look better than another is silly.
Case in point is cowabunga's v4 spreadsheet
Tyre life for a 1.2 25k miles! What?!?!?!?! I've had 22-23k miles out of my tyres and tyres and they've still got 5.5-6mm of tread left. They'll be good for at least 35-40k miles. Now I accept that some people will be harsher on their tyres, but there is no way the average person is going to get 80% of the tyre life of a 1.2 if they're driving an MJ. It just isn't happening.
And the MPG's put in as standard figures.
1.2 43 mpg!!!! who's driving? Fangio?
Twinair 47 mpg which directly contradicts the figures that most people have which is that the twinair does 10% less mpg than a 1.2
1.3 MJ which funnily enough does towards the top end of the scale......
Even fudging the figures the MJ still turns out more expensive too!
The service costs are a joke too. I challenge you to get those prices for 3 years of servicing
All this shows is how Cowabunga might be able to assemble a perfectly serviceable spreadsheet, but his/her actual knowledge of the running costs of 500 aren't all that good. Give me a bit of time this weekend and I'll come up with something that's purty and not just pie in the sky nonsense
Yes i do indeed know you and when you mean something you will do it !so i will look forward to your version
What I like about this thread is that, regardless of whose spreadsheet you favour, it's made us all think a bit more about how all the various costs of car ownership break down. In particular, it's drawn attention to the fact that the headline price of the different models & options isn't the whole story, and that, for some of us at least, we also need to think about the ongoing costs if we're going to be able to enjoy our toys without crippling our finances.
Thanks to both spreadsheet providers - I'm not going to take sides.
Thanks to both spreadsheet providers - I'm not going to take sides
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What I like about this thread is that, regardless of whose spreadsheet you favour, it's made us all think a bit more about how all the various costs of car ownership break down. In particular, it's drawn attention to the fact that the headline price of the different models & options isn't the whole story, and that, for some of us at least, we also need to think about the ongoing costs if we're going to be able to enjoy our toys without crippling our finances.
Thanks to both spreadsheet providers - I'm not going to take sides
I just didnt like the agenda which I felt was going on here.
Like I said on the other thread, Im open minded overall, appreciate that choice is a largely emotional decision, I bought an MJD but if i was in the market now i'd probably go for the TA. Now because I didnt go with the anti diesel stance the insults started to fly and the brick wall went up.
When I even mentioned that TA and diesel costs were comparable (even the troll largely agreed £150 or so was the total difference for average miles/ ownership period) it didnt stop there.
The costs are what they are, my spreadsheet model makes it clear for all to see. Just select the variable values you think are appropriate and it spits the answers out at the bottom. So simple even the troll can use it, in fact they've probably got all the fields completed already.
Now the troll had a golden opportunity to incorporate his self proclaimed extensive knowledge into assisting with determining values for the variable elements (BLUE CELLS) so every new buyer would have a clear picture of what the total costs are likely to be for each variant. Not some mythical "You need to drive 30k miles a yr for the diesel to break even" but the real picture. For whatever reason they decided not to do this.
I wonder if he/ she works in Fiat's marketing dept and they have a glut of TA's to shift? I dunno
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