Technical Panda multijet 240mm brakes ??

[sei16v]

Hi all... has anyone had a go at fitting a set of the panda multijet 240mm brakes to sei/cinq hubs? Or know if they 'will' fit offset wise, bolt pcd etc?

I have my fingers crossed that these are the new UT brakes yet much easier to get hold of...

Im looking for something vented i can get under 13s and cheapish (which rules out willwoods etc)

 

[sei16v]

Sod it... bought a set to try.... fingers crossed for delivery.

 

[Chrisoleil]

https://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecen...lue-cinq-sporting-free-cinq-22.html?p=3089677

 

[sei16v]

https://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecen...lue-cinq-sporting-free-cinq-22.html?p=3089677

Ahh good spot, thanks

 

[The Black Box]

They do definaty look like they'll fit but I gotta get around to it hopefully this weekend or soon. The cento hubs need drilling out its only slightly larger.

 

[Red Rocket CINQ]

be great to know if they fit and work fine, maybe put a write up in the guides if mods are needed.

 

[Chrisoleil]

definitely be interested to see if this fits.. Don't want the GT conversion as I think 14s are a little too big for these cars.

 

[sei16v]

They do definaty look like they'll fit but I gotta get around to it hopefully this weekend or soon. The cento hubs need drilling out its only slightly larger.

If you do have a go, can you take a few snaps.. It it's a case of opening out the hub holes that the calliper bolts go through, it should be an easy conversion. Just concerned about offset issues, although some washers might sort that lol

 

[fingers99]

definitely be interested to see if this fits.. Don't want the GT conversion as I think 14s are a little too big for these cars.

Not big enough! Go 15".

 

[Todger182]

I really don't see your fascination with 15" wheels . I have always failed to see where they are an improvement over 13" or 14".

Tyre choices are the same, both track tyres and daily hacks.

Thanks

X

 

[Chrisoleil]

Not big enough! Go 15".

Why stop there?

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/12/2008/10/Fiat-127-Donk.jpg

 

[fingers99]

Cos after 15" it gets bloody difficult. It's not about looks, but effect.

@ Todger -- gearing, mainly. You take advantage of the extra torque of the tub or bigger capacity engine by raising the gearing the easy way -- fitting bigger wheels. J333EVO recons it improves handling too, and he's fast enough and experienced enough to know.

But I don't understand the fascination with 13" -- and loathe the euro look.

 

[Todger182]

I think that chalky has kind of gone passed being a "stanced euro" as soon as I started researching and developing the engine further .

I still wouldn't run anything bigger than 14" to be able maintain stability. That and also able to drop the car lower for a better center of gravity.

Anyway back on subject, As far as I know the bolts holding the calipers on the car are M8, surely m10 would be overkill .

Thanks

X

 

[The Black Box]

I think that chalky has kind of gone passed being a "stanced euro" as soon as I started researching and developing the engine further .

I still wouldn't run anything bigger than 14" to be able maintain stability. That and also able to drop the car lower for a better center of gravity.

Anyway back on subject, As far as I know the bolts holding the calipers on the car are M8, surely m10 would be overkill .

Thanks

X

The only reason for bigger bolts was that I put the cento caliper into the panda calipers and they fell right throught so did some measuring and it's only a couple of mill bigger. I too see no point in 15s 14x6 is definitely the good size I just really like my revolutions. Ps it was you that got me started with these brakes:worship:

I might even try tomorrow I will do a post about how they fit

 

[fingers99]

Going momentarily off topic again:

I still wouldn't run anything bigger than 14" to be able maintain stability.

There's no sense in this. Larger wheels -- or rather, larger circumference -- give you greater centrifugal force, thus greater stability. Ask any biker. Presumably BMW and Rover worked that out when they fitted faster versions of the Bini with much bigger wheels.

That and also able to drop the car lower for a better center of gravity.

Lower CG is one small element of handling. The problem with Centos is that if you go much lower than 40mm you run into issues with too much rear negative camber (the same phenomenon which has seen many Civic Rs go through hedges backwards). On the Civic it's relatively easy to cure -- on the Cento you either have to demount the (welded on) axle stubs from the rear trailing arms so you can introduce camber washers (expensive and something of an engineering challenge) or bend the rear beam(!) which is likely to be a once only, hope you guess right, operation.

The really fast, track worthy lowered Centos (and there are few) all seem to have radically modded suspension, front and rear.

All the physics suggest that, everything else being equal, larger disks will provide better brakes, so, if not fitting 13" wheels, PGT3 make more sense.

 

[slugworth1987]

13s are fine on my 16v.... Just saying

 

[J333EVO]

There is one overwhelming reason for running a 15" wheel on a cento & it's if you intend to do trackdays & want to run trackday orientated tyres like Toyo R888. The virtue of bigger brakes & better ventilation provided to those brakes by fitting bigger wheels needs to explanation.

Stick with 13" & the choice is 185/60/13, 205/60/13, 225/60/13.

Go up to 14" & it's the same choices 185/60/14, 205/60/14, 225/60/14.

None of these sizes are ideal, but go up to 15" & you get 165/50/15 which is only 5mm bigger in diameter than the 185/50/14 tyres many run instead of OEM 175/50/15 fitted on Abarth's etc or 34mm bigger than the OEM 165/55/13 that I doubt anyone runs now.

And by fitting wider tyres you do not necessary add more grip, you just move it around from a length ways rectangle i.e. || to a width ways i.e. --- so you may gain more lateral grip at expense of traction meaning you may be a few mph faster in the bend but have to hold off applying the power until much further round. It can also change braking characteristics.

But to find what's perfect would take a fair bit of research & trial & error.

And yes Fingers is right on Civic's etc when you lower them you do introduce -ve camber but by virtue of having double wishbones on the rear you can get easy to fit camber correction arms & on the front different ballpoints and of course camber correction bolts.

 

[slugworth1987]

165/55/13... Need diff tyres

 

[Brooky]

In a thread somewhere I weighed a few parts, 15's won as did the 280mm brakes over the standard parts. 15's all the way!

 

[J333EVO]

As an everyday tyre the Bridgestone RE040 as fitted OEM on Lotus Elise iirc are only £57.20 each from Mytyres.

The only option other than Nankang in the 165/55/13 size is an old design Pirelli P700 which are £62 each from Mytyres.

So more modern design tyre plus saving in price what's to loose. The only issue is you want a wheel no wider than 6" which for aftermarket is limited as most are 6.5-7" wide but does open up OEM Lancia/Fiat/Alfa wheels which can often be picked up check though off-set needs to be checked.