Technical Oem number for crankshaft pulley bolts

[StanZlatan]

Hi guys. We will have to change the pulley and Dayco has sent me the pulley with no bolts.
Does anyone have the ability to post the oem number of the bolts so i can find them?
Car is fiat panda 2014 hatchback 1.2 petrol.
I can give vin number if its safe. The pulley autodoc gave as compatible DPV1028.
Every customer service is closed on sinday but i can at least do the order

 

[Eltezz]

Looks like no.5 to me. All the different pully diagrams show the same bolt so should be safe to order some.

 

[StanZlatan]

You are very very helpful as usual. I believe also it is the bolt as i did remove the pulley on my old engine. Which of course after a year i decided to trow only 2 months later by the law of life controlled by Satan to have my current pulley crack.
I think i will buy it here it even states it is compatible with my mode

https://www.euspares.co.uk/parts/3rg/8763299.

The only question rose from that diagram is it looks different then my car which is just alternator wheel and the crankshaft wheel but i assume this is not so relevant.

 

[Eltezz]

I wasn’t sure if you had AC or not so put that diagram up. If you look at the small diagram underneath, that is the same as your car and I checked that as well - the bolt is the same for all variants

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

For those who don't already know, you can access all these parts diagrams and listings direct from in this forum -- it's called ePER and is in the menu at the top of the page. It's not the easiest thing to find your way around at first (which is down to Fiat!) but once you use it a few times it's pretty intuitive. The current (2012 onward) Panda is called Nouvo Panda in the menu from which you select the car model. A huge thank you goes to @ben and the Forum team for making this available to us - its worth donating to the forum just for having access to this amazing resource

 

[koalar]

Standard M8 x 1.25x 18mm high tensile bolt
grade 8.8

There reusable

For example Toolstation sell 10 for 89p but you would have to hacksaw them down and chamfer the end

 

[StanZlatan]

Can you show me the product on toolstation? I cant find m8 x1.25

 

[koalar]

Can you show me the product on toolstation? I cant find m8 x1.25

Sorry should have explained 1.25 is the standard M8 pitch so if it's omitted it's 1.25


18mm is the length


These are only 2mm too long, strange they didn't initially show up on my first search, Toolstation sell some thick heavy duty one but you'll have to buy 100 unfortunately, I doubt they will be needed

They will probably fit without cutting down, just check first, worst case you have to add another washer

High Tensile Set Screw

High tensile zinc plated steel. Use when a full threaded bolt is required.

www.toolstation.com

Ignore the photo they have used the same generic one for all lengths

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Toolstation prob not the best option. If you can find an engineering supplier you can probably buy the few you need.

You might also take a look at the Forum's preferred parts supplier, Shop4Parts.co.uk... and if you are a donated forum member you get a 10% discount there too on genuine Fiat or OEM quality parts

Putting the part number for the flywheel bolt into their website shows this result:

Parts for Alfa Romeo, Fiat & Fiat Commercial vehicles.

www.shop4parts.co.uk

 

[StanZlatan]

Thanks i also had such revelation while thinking about toolstation option. I have so much experience where the quickfix turns into long fix or even demolition of earning and many more parts. I have ordered the ones from shop4parts. They dont have a picture but i bought from them bolts for front absorbers and were ok. They did not tell me i need one set of nuts thought. I told them i dont have the scematica and they said they were looking at it.

 

[koalar]

No idea what's wrong with a grade 8.8 bolt from anywhere

A grade 8.8 bolt is the same wherever you buy it from

Fiat don't make bolts, they all come from the same few factories

Maybe some can enlighten me on what the differences are

Here's a fiat one

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

No idea what's wrong with a grade 8.8 bolt from anywhere

A grade 8.8 bolt is the same wherever you buy it from

Fiat don't make bolts, they all come from the same few factories

Maybe some can enlighten me on what the differences are

Here's a fiat one

View attachment 457247

No need for enlightenment...

Toolstation don't sell the right screw (too long)

The suggestion to use S4P was based more on the fact that they will sell you just the five (?) you need, rather than the bulk packs from specialists such as Orbital Fastners. Of course, if you need lots, then the OEM way is an expensive fix.

There's a lovely hardware shop near the cottage I let out in Norfolk that will sell you single nuts and bolts, and nails loose paid for by weight. IF anyone knows where you can buy car bolts that way, rather than pre-packed in quantities you don't need, that would be perfect!

Actually, a quick Google finds here: https://www.finefitfasteners.co.uk/...ght-zinc-plated-grade-88-din-933-1529086.html at 10p each plus a proper, sensible rate of postage, but too late for the OP now.

 

[koalar]

Still don't get it

Toolstation prob not the best option. If you can find an engineering supplier you can probably buy the few you need.

The original link I posted

Grade 8.8 zinc plated bolt

79p for 10

Weren't good enough

Yes they are 20mm long

Doesn't seem to be a problem though

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Still don't get it




The original link I posted

Grade 8.8 zinc plated bolt

79p for 10

Weren't good enough

Yes they are 20mm long

Doesn't seem to be a problem though

View attachment 457252

Nothing wrong with your first link - just that I didn’t open it. We both agree: you can get bolts in other places. Just need to know where to look. (I’ve bookmarked your link now too )

 

[koalar]

For someone people living out in the countryside online is easier

But if you live next to company like TS,Screwfix, fastco sometimes it's just easier to pick them up, as long as the are standard parts

also wonder why the pulley is being changed, there is a dampener built into them, but these normally only fail, seperate into two halves when the alternator pulley goes faulty first

 

[StanZlatan]

For someone people living out in the countryside online is easier

But if you live next to company like TS,Screwfix, fastco sometimes it's just easier to pick them up, as long as the are standard parts

also wonder why the pulley is being changed, there is a dampener built into them, but these normally only fail, seperate into two halves when the alternator pulley goes faulty first

The alternator seized if you must know
Its long story i unseized it by pouring oil as i watched on youtube.

 

[StanZlatan]

No need for enlightenment...

Toolstation don't sell the right screw (too long)

The suggestion to use S4P was based more on the fact that they will sell you just the five (?) you need, rather than the bulk packs from specialists such as Orbital Fastners. Of course, if you need lots, then the OEM way is an expensive fix.

There's a lovely hardware shop near the cottage I let out in Norfolk that will sell you single nuts and bolts, and nails loose paid for by weight. IF anyone knows where you can buy car bolts that way, rather than pre-packed in quantities you don't need, that would be perfect!

Actually, a quick Google finds here: https://www.finefitfasteners.co.uk/...ght-zinc-plated-grade-88-din-933-1529086.html at 10p each plus a proper, sensible rate of postage, but too late for the OP now.

Ok i will save this place and use it for bolts that are not that important. I am sure something will pop up as i use the car for delivery doing many miles each day

 

[StanZlatan]

The drama continues. Shop4parts said they had to order the bolts and they come about 6th of january.
I wondered if i should wait so long or order from that Finefitfasteners. I saw these bolts cost only 2.80 with delivery so i ordered 5 and they already dispatched...
Anyone think its not safe to install these bolts on the pulley?

 

[jackwhoo]

As long as the bolt is the correct thread size, thread pitch , length and strength (8.8 is the code for the strength in this instance) it is in effect identical to the original fiat bolt. Several experienced members have already stated this.

Why are you replacing the bolts? Did you misplace the bolts removed?

 

[koalar]

The alternator seized if you must know
Its long story i unseized it by pouring oil as i watched on youtube.

I asked because if anyone just changes the pulley because the vibration dampener has failed, without addressing the cause, idler or alternator they would be back to square one in a few months time

There's little clearance between the stationary and rotating parts, they can corroded and grow together

Normally you can free them by gently taping and wiggling the pulley without having to pouring oil down the front, but sometimes needs must but there is a very small risk of contamination of the slip rings and bushes leading to intermittent charging months or years down the line

Test it's freewheel clutch before fitting the belt, if the alternator been seized it will have been under stress and are a failure point