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I wouldn't hold your breath.
Anyway if they say 120HP its probably the 69HP 1.2 motor, but hey whats in a badge.
General Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming
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General Mild Hybrid Firefly is finally coming
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Anyway if they say 120HP its probably the 69HP 1.2 motor, but hey whats in a badge.
Apparently it's still the same FIAT 500e as the USA version only with new battery floor architecture, and another facelift.It's nothing especially amazing as far as hybrid tech goes, but it's just nice to see something more subtantial than a new paint colour for the Panda (and 500) to keep the interest up whilst they put a longer term plan in place, probably with the help of Peugeot following the merger.
As is very well documented, an all-electric 500e is coming in the next few months, which is a completely new car on a new bespoke platform, so that'll be the big news (along with proper hybrid versions of the Jeep Renegade & Compass, which could easily be transfered onto the 500x). This just stops the 500 & Panda look quite so 'old'. What's not totally clear is whether the 1.2 engine will go completely? If it does they'll need to be very careful with pricing of the new Mild Hybrid, otherwise they'll probably find sales collapse, particularly on the Panda
As far as I am aware they have not release any details on the new 500e
I just looked at the spy photos of the supposed 500e and there are a couple of things worth taking note of, one is that the interior has been spotted and is extremely different with updated instruments (double binnacle) and the test mule is sporting a set of fiat grande punto wheels. Which tells me it’s not based on the same running gear as the 500 and they may be using tech from the new electric Corsa ? The electric corsa uses the old vauxhall 4x100 wheel stud arangement like the grande punto. My theory is there are going to be a lot of differences on the new 500e and while the mules are current generation fiat 500 there is nothing to say they are not planning a new body to match a different platform.
I dont follow the updates of non European
Developments..
But the 500e was 'Ancient'..
If it still 2008 tech its pointless.
As a side note.. there was a european 'e.500'
It was built in scandinavia..
Pretty sure they got a 1.2 pop.. gutted it an replaced 50% of the components.
Was @£35k and had NO FIAT WARRANTY..!!
When I was in the market for a plug.in
I looked at a US IMPORT..used
A euro option
Neither were worthwile back in 2012/13
So bought a twinair.
There would be a second possibility for the Panda Sport engine.
a 1.3ltr/1.5ltr "NON" turbo GSE-Firefly 4 cilinder engine with 95/105 hp.
Or much more likely they have no plans for any sort of panda sport
Panda Sport is already confirmed.
Trim package like most other fiat models then these days
Interesting. I'd not considered that for the Panda but tbh I'm not that concerned about a future warmed over panda 'sport'. My concern is whether Fiat will continue it's existing 4x4 and Cross versions of the Panda if they are moving away from the 0.9TA as the non-turbo 1.0 Firefly hasn't got the grunt.
The 1.3 FireFly is up on power, but down on the more important torque 134 or 139 Nm compared with the TA's 145Nm. It's also generated mid-range at 3500 rpm, rather than the TA's 1900 rpm.
A possibility, but I've got a new Cross on order, and am pleased it's still a TA.
I'm just spitballing, about engines, i also can remember reading somewhere that the Panda will no longer get engines with more then 3 cylinders.
In that case it will only be the 70 hp NON turbo GSE engine or there will also be a tuned-down 3T GSE with between 90 and 120 hp.
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It does seem to be their way at the minute.
The 500 Sport is offered with 1.2 or 85hp TA
The Tipo Sport is 1.4 with either 95 or 120hp, just like the Lounge.
And the 500X Sport either 120 or 150hp, same as the other 500x models.
Seems Fiats idea of "Sport" is bigger wheels with less rubber.
The Panda could do with some 16” wheels like the 500.
Just make wheel centre covers with Panda decals instead ook 500 decals and you can use all the 16” FIAT 500 wheels on the Panda as well.
Just make wheel centre covers with Panda decals instead ook 500 decals and you can use all the 16” FIAT 500 wheels on the Panda as well.
Looking at the photo, the cam cover looks as if it could be hiding a SOHC rather than DOHC head. I hope I'm wrong, but it could well be a sign of FCA's typical parsimonious attitude.
In the past decade it looks as if the group is singularly unable to plan a comprehensive strategy, unlike VAG.
I wonder if we will even have a 4x4 Panda in the future.
Peugeot don't have any small 4x4 platforms.
Peugeot don't have any small 4x4 platforms.
noted on Wikipedia
"It was introduced in 2016 in simple naturally aspirated, 2-valve per cylinder with VVT"
So it very likely is a single overhead cam.
Seems a very big backward step compared to technology like the Twin and multiair engines.
Very true would have thought they have used the multi air Tec for the Inlet valve's
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Hi All
Ive noticed that all the small and very low emission engines have to be driven in a special way per engine type, most normal drivers don't give two hoots as to how they drive and it is in their mind only the car that can produce economical/low emission numbers and hence they often blame the car, how much fun have the twin airs been to use.
Now when we come to the hybrids that wont have a manual box these engine/drivetrains will control power deliver cut in/out and the regen braking will be controlled too, so my hope is that the hybrid systems can hopefully assist everyone(technically minded or not) to reduce emissions closer to the manufacturers figures.
but then again who remembers the top gear Prius/M5 BMW test
we shall see.
Tim
Ive noticed that all the small and very low emission engines have to be driven in a special way per engine type, most normal drivers don't give two hoots as to how they drive and it is in their mind only the car that can produce economical/low emission numbers and hence they often blame the car, how much fun have the twin airs been to use.
Now when we come to the hybrids that wont have a manual box these engine/drivetrains will control power deliver cut in/out and the regen braking will be controlled too, so my hope is that the hybrid systems can hopefully assist everyone(technically minded or not) to reduce emissions closer to the manufacturers figures.
but then again who remembers the top gear Prius/M5 BMW test
we shall see.
Tim
