Technical Front stub axle reconditioning

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Technical Front stub axle reconditioning

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Me again! Man am I wearing out my keyboard on this forum. Next question does anyone know a reputable company who will recondition the front hub assembly? I have been it touch with AutoBella and Ricambio they are too busy, but have new ones.

Regards Jon
 
Me again! Man am I wearing out my keyboard on this forum. Next question does anyone know a reputable company who will recondition the front hub assembly? I have been it touch with AutoBella and Ricambio they are too busy, but have new ones.

Regards Jon
Hi Jon;
To recondition front king-pin assemblies CORRECTLY is not a cheap job. For a start, a lot of the 'pattern' bushes are steel, NOT Phospher-bronze, and secondly, to do it properly one needs a LOOOONG, adjustable reaming tool.This is so that the top and bottom bushes are reamed-out in line with each other. If a normal-length reamer is used, that situation is not possible (I know, I have done the job a large number of times, with the correct tool, when I worked at a Fiat garage). It is also sensible to have a 2nd grease nipple fitted, so that BOTH of the bushes get properly lubricated. I wish I got a fiver for everyone that I have stripped down and found that the grease has NOT got into both bushes. Sadly also, most "over-haulers" do NOT remove the bottom core-plug correctly---they just whack them out with the king-pin WITHOUT pre-drilling them so that they can collapse as they come out, leaving the bottom of the king-pin housing undamaged---just wacking them out invariably breaks the (old) casting, which makes it difficult to reseal the bottom of the king-pin housing with the new (supplied in kit) core-plug. Done properly with the proper bushes, they willlast a long time,especially if the 2nd grease-nipple is fitted and they are greased REGULARLY! If you would like to contact me directly ( tommontagu@yahoo.co.uk ), I can put you in touch with somebody who CAN get them re-bushed correctly.
 
Have you considered what brakes and wheels you intend to run on your finished project as this can determine what stub axles you will need?
 
Hi Dave I have, after speaking with Tristan he did mention using the 126 hubs etc, I have been chatting with a guy called Kelvyne who recommended staying with drum brakes, and not converting to rack and pinion steering. Plenty to think about.

Regards Jon
 
Hi Dave I have, after speaking with Tristan he did mention using the 126 hubs etc, I have been chatting with a guy called Kelvyne who recommended staying with drum brakes, and not converting to rack and pinion steering. Plenty to think about.

Regards Jon
Kelvyne is very experienced, and I agree with him. If the original wheels and tyres are retained, disc brakes can be a liability. I have 5-1/2 x 13 inch wheels on my 500, fitted with 165 x 55 tyres and if I really stand on the brakes (disc at the front) I can lock them IN THE DRY! Image having that sort of braking ability in the wet with much narrower tyres---they would become dangerous. Unless one has a fairly well tuned engine which is used to it's fullest, properly set-up, the Fiat drum brakes do a perfectly adequate job.
With regard to fitting "rack and Pinion" steering----this can be quite an expensive job, and is definitely NOT a "take off one lot of parts, pop the new ones on" sort of job. A certain amount of welding (by a very competent person) is required as well that once you have cut the steering column (which you have to do) you are definitely committed! If you have a RHD car, a rack for these cars are difficult to find---I am also led to believe that, due to the layout of the pedals, a LHD car has slightly more space between the pedals, although I can't confirm this detail. Unless you are dead-set on having R 'n P steering, I would settle for an overhauled 'standard' steering box.
 
As someone who just did the R&P conversion... it's amazing. Night and day difference on the car. Steering is so consistent and zero-effort now. I highly recommend it, but it is not a simple 1-for-1 swap as Tom highlighted.
 
Should it be of interest to anybody I have a pal locally who has a new old stock pair of Fiat 126 front stub axle assemblies surplus to his requirements, I am sure he will do a good price.
 
As someone who just did the R&P conversion... it's amazing. Night and day difference on the car. Steering is so consistent and zero-effort now. I highly recommend it, but it is not a simple 1-for-1 swap as Tom highlighted.
Is this the bolt on version? I understand there is a conversion that uses existing mounts and no welding required?
 
I have considered the 126 wheels, so will need to change all the hubs to suit, I do like the idea of 165 section tyres, I bet they look good.
Is this the bolt on version? I understand there is a conversion that uses existing mounts and no welding required?
The best way to mount the rack is to use the mount available from Lukasz at "L.P.Garage" in Sudbury (Suffolk)---feel free to use my name as a reference. If you DO go down that route, come back to me as I have quite a lot of information on how to do the conversion. Take"Toshi's offer up re. front '126' hub units, but if there is something Toshi's friend can't supply, ask Lukasz---he supplies a LOT of new and 2nd hand '126'parts---usually obtained from Poland. I have done a fair bit of business with Lukasz---good guy to deal with
 
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Found I still had one of these whilst digging in my shed recently. The all important bit to connect the steering column to the 126 steering rack conversion.
 
The best way to mount the rack is to use the mount available from Lukasz at "L.P.Garage" in Sudbury (Suffolk)---feel free to use my name as a reference. If you DO go down that route, come back to me as I have quite a lot of information on how to do the conversion. Take"Toshi's offer up re. front '126' hub units, but if there is something Toshi's friend can't supply, ask Lukasz---he supplies a LOT of new and 2nd hand '126'parts---usually obtained from Poland. I have done a fair bit of business with Lukasz---good guy to deal with
Ok Thank you
 
Should it be of interest to anybody I have a pal locally who has a new old stock pair of Fiat 126 front stub axle assemblies surplus to his requirements, I am sure he will do a good price.

Kelvyne is very experienced, and I agree with him. If the original wheels and tyres are retained, disc brakes can be a liability. I have 5-1/2 x 13 inch wheels on my 500, fitted with 165 x 55 tyres and if I really stand on the brakes (disc at the front) I can lock them IN THE DRY! Image having that sort of braking ability in the wet with much narrower tyres---they would become dangerous. Unless one has a fairly well tuned engine which is used to it's fullest, properly set-up, the Fiat drum brakes do a perfectly adequate job.
With regard to fitting "rack and Pinion" steering----this can be quite an expensive job, and is definitely NOT a "take off one lot of parts, pop the new ones on" sort of job. A certain amount of welding (by a very competent person) is required as well that once you have cut the steering column (which you have to do) you are definitely committed! If you have a RHD car, a rack for these cars are difficult to find---I am also led to believe that, due to the layout of the pedals, a LHD car has slightly more space between the pedals, although I can't confirm this detail. Unless you are dead-set on having R 'n P steering, I would settle for an overhauled 'standard' steering box.
Hi Dave
I'm torn between upgrading the car or keeping it standard, if I use 126 hubs will I be able to use the standard back plates? Will 126 hubs give more choice in wheel sizes, has your 500 got wide wheel arches or standard. And would you ask your pal how much for the 126 front stub axle assemblies.
Thanks Jon
 
If you want to switch to 126 running gear so you can run with 4 x 98PCD wheels and larger brakes etc it is quite a major operation involving front and rear brakes, hubs and stub axles. Existing brakes will be redundant. I will check out the stub axles with my pal.
 
If you want to switch to 126 running gear so you can run with 4 x 98PCD wheels and larger brakes etc it is quite a major operation involving front and rear brakes, hubs and stub axles. Existing brakes will be redundant. I will check out the stub axles with my pal.
I have bought a brake repair kit, the best way forward is to use what I have to get the car road legal then upgrade, I can see myself getting too far into this and having the car off the road for an extended period. I will pay the guys at LP Garage a visit.
 
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the best way forward is to use what I have to get the car road legal then upgrade, I can see myself getting too far into this and having the car off the road for an extended period.

I whole hearted agree.

Get it on the road, find out what it’s like standard this summer, and then if you want to do the modifications there will be plenty of time over winter when it’s less fun to be out driving 🙂

On the road I’m yet to find the standard brakes lacking. To me the advantage of 126 hubs (and the reason I have a set waiting to fit to my car) is that they are stronger and the 4x98 wheel PCD both of which are helpful if you want to fit wider aftermarket wheels.

Rack and pinion vs steering box is a can of worms, personally I’ve driven steering of both designs that has been fun and engaging and also of both designs that’s been dull as ditchwater. The standard set-up in the 500 is plenty fun to me, the upgrade to rack and pinion would be well down the list to me, below things like changing to wishbone front suspension.

Everyone has their own take on what is right or wrong with how a car drives, which once again comes back to your original point. Get it on the road, drive it and see what you want to change or not. 🙂
 
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