Technical Fiat panda 4x4 Antarctica 1.3 multijet 75hp with start and stop diesel BATTERY question.

[kavinsanders87]

Dear All,

this morning I tested my battery with a multimeter. because start and stop is not working (but no dashboard alarm of lights are on, no issue Message is displayed)

the voltage with car off (tested in the morning) was 12.0/11.9 V.

I heard that the voltage must be not below 12.5/12.6 .

I tested the voltage during igniction and run th engine for 1min , the voltage dropped to 10v and then back to normal operation to 14

(I followed a video guide).

after the car got on for 1 min, the voltage was back to 12.5 , but the "cold test" was showing 12.0/11.9 again.

do you suggest battery replacement ?

if yes , I had a look in the market (autodoc as similar ).

there are many models : using the filters

• AGM Battery
• EFB Battery

Batteries CCA (cold test current) is very variable from model to model , from 540 to 680 AMPERE.

I checked the panda user manual but I do not find any info about the battery min requirement (in the manual they say only buy genuine product) not even specify the battery type. ) companies does that to make our life complicated and then to push people to go to main dealers to buy original products instead.


I know that the capacity is not quit important, but the CCA value must be correct ( there is a difference of more that 100 amps from 540 and 680.

Can you please let me know what is the best for my car model, and if you know if there is a version of the manual that states battery min requirement?


thanks in advance.

 

[Eltezz]

I have a 2014 Multijet 4x4 and EPER shows the part no. as 71752830. A quick web search defines this as an EFB battery, CCB 540A. Just make sure the battery you buy is a minimum of 540A, higher values are generally better but not necessary. Check the physical sizes as well to make sure it will fit.

 

[kavinsanders87]

I have a 2014 Multijet 4x4 and EPER shows the part no. as 71752830. A quick web search defines this as an EFB battery, CCB 540A. Just make sure the battery you buy is a minimum of 540A, higher values are generally better but not necessary. Check the physical sizes as well to make sure it will fit.

thanks, the oem items must have the same specs of the original one. but I will keep an eye on the sizes , the actual battery I have is an halfords one. 65Ah 600 CCA

 

[kavinsanders87]

I have a 2014 Multijet 4x4 and EPER shows the part no. as 71752830. A quick web search defines this as an EFB battery, CCB 540A. Just make sure the battery you buy is a minimum of 540A, higher values are generally better but not necessary. Check the physical sizes as well to make sure it will fit.

Hi thanks again , I have been to halfords and bought this :

Halfords EFB013/EFB027 Start/Stop EFB 12V Car Battery 5 Year Guarantee | Halfords UK

Shop the latest Halfords 4 Year Guarantee EFB013/EFB027 Start/Stop EFB 12V Car Battery at Halfords UK

www.halfords.com

The guy at the till told me that I must reset the ecu because if the old battery was not keeping the charge the ecu was saying to to charge more the battery , if I do not reset this the battery could get damaged . After that he showed me the obd reader they use , but my car is was not in their obd reader, then told me that if I go to a fiat dealer could be very expensive.
"charge" for the fitting and odb reading is 30 pounds .

Is that a normal thing For other car brands?

This is my "new" ( almost ) fiat panda 2014 4x4 , I had old cars before ( 2000/2003 cars )but never hear about ecu reset before.

Probably you or the mighty @Herts Hillhopper can help? Please

 

[Eltezz]

No reset required on the Panda. The system will relearn over the next few days and things should get back to normal.

The chap at Halfords is either a fool, thinks he knows better, or was simply trying to upsell to you. Just fit the battery and get on with your life.

 

[kavinsanders87]

No reset required on the Panda. The system will relearn over the next few days and things should get back to normal.

The chap at Halfords is either a fool, thinks he knows better, or was simply trying to upsell to you. Just fit the battery and get on with your life.

Thanks again ,

Were I come from scams are behind the corner, that is why my mind think about that before other things, I am sure that the guy had different experience with other brands and did an honest mistake.

I am not 100% expert with car either , but not 100% newbie as well.

He could have scared somebody saying that... "it could be very expensive " anyway.. haha

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

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Probably you or the mighty @Herts Hillhopper can help? Please

Flattered! But Eltezz got there first

Correct in that no reset is required with a code reader. But, it apparently it is recommended that after replacing the battery, you reset the power steering.To do this, start the engine, steer fully left, then fully right, then back to the centre and ideally drive a short way (few hundred metres is enough) in a straight line. Not sure if this really made any difference (probably not necessary if the wheels were steered straight when the battery was changed).

There's a suggesting that you also need to reset the boot lock - by locking then unlocking the car (which you probably did anyway

Here's the full list of things to reset (from Haynes AutoFix). Apart from teh steering as described above, the 'reset procedure' for the boot lock and sunroof is to open and shut them! The start/stop resets itself.

It is true that some more modern cars (bear in mind the Panda dates back to 2012) that more complex electronic control systems are used and these (may) need to be told there's a new battery. Although even then I'm not sure this is really necessary...

 

[kavinsanders87]

Flattered! But Eltezz got there first

Correct in that no reset is required with a code reader. But, it apparently it is recommended that after replacing the battery, you reset the power steering.To do this, start the engine, steer fully left, then fully right, then back to the centre and ideally drive a short way (few hundred metres is enough) in a straight line. Not sure if this really made any difference (probably not necessary if the wheels were steered straight when the battery was changed).

There's a suggesting that you also need to reset the boot lock - by locking then unlocking the car (which you probably did anyway

Here's the full list of things to reset (from Haynes AutoFix). Apart from teh steering as described above, the 'reset procedure' for the boot lock and sunroof is to open and shut them! The start/stop resets itself.
View attachment 453435

It is true that some more modern cars (bear in mind the Panda dates back to 2012) that more complex electronic control systems are used and these (may) need to be told there's a new battery. Although even then I'm not sure this is really necessary...

Thank you so munch.

Those thing must be done after connecting the new battery.


I heard that is a good thing to wait like 10/15 Min with no battery connected before put a new one or reconnect the ols one " to reset " the ecu.... I do not know if this is correct. Or at least has a hint of reliable source like your statements.

 

[kavinsanders87]

After x2 days from the blue and me disconnection module (I drive about 30/25 miles a day) the start and stop "resuscitate ", I think I will return the battery I bought from halfords then.

I think is a bit too much what happened anyway, think about a normal user, that one day loose the Bluetooth and assistant + odometer flashing and after 5 days get the battery down. why leave the faulty Bluetooth module in "always on state"?

 

[kavinsanders87]

Find a solution to a problem and then another start.

Since I disconnected the blue and me module I have to connect the external Bluetooth thing (usb a +aux ) to the USB charger to the 12 v socket .

When start and stop turn off thr car is all OK. But when it turn the car back on the 12 v socket turn off and then bluetooth connection lost.

It should not happen I think. The car is going back on but the car key is in and all electrical component must work correctly.

Do you know what is going on please

 

[Herts Hillhopper]

Power to the 12v socket (or cigar lighter) is momentarily disconnected when the starter motor operates. Power to other high-load items such as the heated front windscreen is also briefly interrupted. This is normal behaviour and is where the body computer ensures full power is available to the starter motor.

 

[kavinsanders87]

Power to the 12v socket (or cigar lighter) is momentarily disconnected when the starter motor operates. Power to other high-load items such as the heated front windscreen is also briefly interrupted. This is normal behaviour and is where the body computer ensures full power is available to the starter motor.

thanks, it does not do it always, that is the thing...... how curious. i do not mind the bluetooth reconnect automatically and them restart the music.the old Bluetooth did not do that.