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[puntodad19]

F FF fff FF fiat Punto 199, 2010 1.2 Evo active...

I knew the lads Punto headlight were playing up...all lights working normally but high beam not staying on. Headlamp flash working normally.

Other faults list...

Car starts and runs as it should...

High beam not staying "on" as they should, dip beam ok as is headlight flash...

Hill assist and esp flashes as unavailable, usually at same time, intermittently but regularly....

Beep hill assist dash warning, then, beep esp dash warning, then repeat with no bleep.....

Select menu to register as understood, but dash warning lights ( for hill assist and esr ) stay on.

Sometimes "fuel cut off inoperative ( light and bleep ) comes on same time intermittently ( engine surges ) dash light stays on...

Turn engine off, count to ten, turn on, start, all ok, untill.....

Lad has replaced brake light switch with oe part.

He has been researching these faults....

So, removed parts as necessary today, found 3 suspect wires in rear hatch loom, no broken wires found but bare conductor wires( cracked or cut insulation ) , meaning they may have touched earth ( metalwork of car ) or each other, intermittently, causing ECU confusion.

Insulated and reassembled...

Car now behaving with even the headlamp hi beam working properly now....

Some more stuff to do/check, like underneath bonnet fuse box...

Under bonnet fuse box totally different to the one in owners handbook...

Not much use...

No boot fuse box found.

Cabin fuse box well hidden, very difficult to see and acces, lad to post picture.....

 

[puntodad19]

1.2 8 Valve petrol 199 model ?

Anyone have a bonnet fuse box layout and list of fuse and relay function etc. Please ?

 

[puntodad19]

Are the relays so this Punto *solid state electronic relays* rather then electromagnetic moving contact type, old school relays....

No relay in the bonnet fuse box "clicks" like old school relays do...

Anyone know ???

 

[Zardo]

If the faults don't seem to make sense, check the Earths and the battery poles.

For the fuse boxes, see here

 

[puntodad19]

Thanks zardo,

Klicking *see here* results in blank screen on phone, but when I go to library again I think something will open up.

We have earth locations info from Elearn from on here...

Hoping to check main earth lead, the heavy alloy one tomorrow, preying for nice warm dry day like today....

Waiting for lad to get home to check today's work on car.....

 

[Zardo]

Fuses and relay switches​

The location of the fuses in the engine compartment control unit is illustrated in the diagram below

Fuse	Capacity	Users protected
F01	70 A	NBC (Body Computer)
F02	50 A	Luggage compartment control unit
F03	20 A	Ignition switch
F04	40 A	NFR 1 (pump)
F05	70 A	NGE
F06	20/30/40 A	Engine cooling electric fan low speed
F07	30 / 40 / 60 A	Engine cooling electric fan high speed
F08	30 A	Climate control electric fan
F09	20 A	Hi-Fi system (headlight washer)
F10	10 A	Horns
F11	10 A	NCM (secondary loads)
F14	15 A	Main beam headlights
F15	30 A	Heater PTC1
F16	5 / 7.5 A	+15 NCM
F17	10 A	NCM, heated blow-by
F18	5 A	NCM
F19	7.5 A	Air conditioning compressor
F20	30 A	Heated rear window and defrosting
F21	15 A	Fuel pump
F22	15/20 A	NCM, main loads
F23	20 A	NFR 2 (valves)
F24	5 A	+15 NFR, NGE, yaw sensor (up to 10/12)
F30	15 A	Fog lights
F81	20 A	LPG control unit
50 A	Heater plug control unit (JTD engine)
F82	50 A	Heater PTC2
F83	30 A	NCR
F84	5 A	Heated blow-by
7.5 / 10 A	NCR / methane solenoid valves
F86	15 A	Sockets
F87	5 A	Battery charge status sensor
F88	7.5 A	Mirrors demisting

Relay	Capacity	Users operated
T02	20 A	Main beam headlights
T03	20 A	Horns
T05	20 A	Air conditioning compressor
T06	30 A	Engine cooling electric fan low speed
T07	50 A	Engine cooling electric fan high speed
T08	50 A	Climate control fan - Current socket
T09	30 A	Engine management system
T10	20 A	Fuel pump
T14	20 A	Fog lights
T17	20 A	Fog lights (versions without Start&Stop)
20 A	Start-up enabling (Start&Stop versions) (Euro 5 engines)
30 A	LPG solenoid valves
T19	30 A	Heated rear window
T20	20 A	Fog lights (LPG versions)
20 A	Start-up enabling (Start&Stop versions) (Euro 5 engines)
20 A	NCR starting inhibitor (Euro 4 engines)
T30	50 A	NCR

 

[AnthonyH]

The fuse list has been given above very helpfully. The fusebox picture given appears to correlate with yours so you should be set.

 

[puntodad19]

Internet really is crap here.. thanks zirfo and Anthony ( you did a stuck disc thread ?? ) But now can see diagram and list, thank you so much.

Will get them printed off in library first thing tomorrow. Gunna be another nice day.

Yhr lad should be posting picture of cabin fuse box which is quite deeply recessed being glove box....would appreciate diagram and fuse numbers, functions and ratings please.

Thangs again Zordo, really appreciated, thanks.

 

[puntodad19]

ZARDO !!!!

Thanks again zardo, really appreciated, thanks...

 

[puntodad19]

This is the passenger cabin fuse box....

A diagram with fuse number, rating and function would be brilliant please...

 

[Zardo]

The fuses in the Body Computer are illustrated in the diagram below.

A. +30 NBC engine compartment control unit

Position	Identification	Type	Users protected	Capacity
1	F12	A0 (mini)	Right dipped headlight power supply	7.5 A
2	F32	A0 (mini)	Luggage compartment and glove compartment courtesy lights	5 A
3	F53	A0 (mini)	NQS	5 A
4	F38	A0 (mini)	Doors and luggage compartment central locking	20 A
5	F36	A0 (mini)	EOBD diagnosis socket, Radio, Bluetooth, alarm siren, vehicle fan, climate control system controls	10 A
6	F43	A0 (mini)	Windscreen/rear window washer pump	20 A
7	F48	A0 (mini)	Passenger side electric window	20 A
8	F13	A0 (mini)	LH dipped beam, headlight corrector supply	7.5 A
9	F50	A0 (mini)	NAB (Airbag)	7.5 A
10	F51	A0 (mini)	Climate control, radio, Bluetooth, brake light switch, clutch switch, reverse switch, car fan, voltage stabiliser, diesel engine sensors, engine compartment control unit relay supply	7.5 A
11	F37	A0 (mini)	Brake lights switch (NA), NQS	5 A
12	F49	A0 (mini)	Parking sensors, control lighting, electric window rain sens., sunroof, PND socket, TPMS, electrochromic mirror	5 A
13	F31	A0 (mini)	INT/A for engine compartment junction unit relay	5 A
14	F47	A0 (mini)	Driver's side electric window	20 A

​

 

[AnthonyH]

You're probably going to want a fuse removal tool to replace fuses in the glovebox, they can be difficult to reach.

 

[puntodad19]

Yes, I don't think those yellow plastic fuse grippers are going to do it.

I wonder if long nosed pliers made of none conducting material are made.....

 

[puntodad19]

I will get a cheapo very long nose pliers, heat shrink insulation on e4nds and handle. May even make a groove for the fuse to grip/sit in, fully insulated.


Relays, solid state electronic relays ??

Anyone know as no relay has been heard to click like old school electromagnetic "normal" relays.......

 

[puntodad19]

All info relating to fuses and relays now printed off.

Thanks again ZARDO, I am sure you have helped out quiet a few people with the info, thanks, very very much appreciated.

 

[AnthonyH]

I will get a cheapo very long nose pliers, heat shrink insulation on e4nds and handle. May even make a groove for the fuse to grip/sit in, fully insulated.

I think i got the yellow fuse puller to work, but it wasn't easy.

Relays, solid state electronic relays ??

Anyone know as no relay has been heard to click like old school electromagnetic "normal" relays.......

They're supposed to click as far as i know. They're old school relays. So maybe a problem if you can't hear one.

 

[puntodad19]

Will try again when lad gets home from work.....

Rain tomorrow ( day out to railway exhibition where the lad works ) but gunna be nice over weekend.....

Managed to change the daylight driving light bulbs, n/s just about manageable from under bonnet.....rather than via screw held wheel arch plastic flap.

That little b%£$"*&d is gunna be removed when front brake pre mot check wheel off comes around maybe this weekend.....

 

[AnthonyH]

Will try again when lad gets home from work.....

Rain tomorrow ( day out to railway exhibition where the lad works ) but gunna be nice over weekend.....

Managed to change the daylight driving light bulbs, n/s just about manageable from under bonnet.....rather than via screw held wheel arch plastic flap.

That little b%£$"*&d is gunna be removed when front brake pre mot check wheel off comes around maybe this weekend.....

When i bought my EVO it had a day light running dashboard error...but the bulbs were working. So i turned them off in the car menu and just manually turn the lights on myself for each journey, dashboard error solved, sort of!