Panda (Classic) Engelbert the H reg Dark Green Sisley Progress Log

[Giacosa]

Nah mate its a mk2a 1.2 8v

No plans to do an engine transplant

 

[onemanmade]

No plans to do an engine transplant

I thought about it, but I like the originality of both my cars, though I am torn about doing it to the Sisley. Though I gather its a bit more complex with the mk2 engine?

 

[Dragon Man]

if it is a low miles engine, i would so take it out.. you could then just run it using a mk1 punto wiring loom you may have to get an intake manifold from off a scrap punto 60 though.

put it this way.. if i was scrapping a punto with a fire engine that i knew was good.. i would keep it. the best thing about these fire engines is that they are compatible with everything from other fire engines

 

[onemanmade]

if it is a low miles engine, i would so take it out.. you could then just run it using a mk1 punto wiring loom you may have to get an intake manifold from off a scrap punto 60 though.

put it this way.. if i was scrapping a punto with a fire engine that i knew was good.. i would keep it. the best thing about these fire engines is that they are compatible with everything from other fire engines

Its a 130,000 engine, it was my car when I was 19 you can find it on here if you search "Knight rider punto"
I'm tempted still though

 

[onemanmade]

So i have a solution to the problems of needing welding done but not the funds to spend £3000 in having a garage do it, nor the will to as I want to learn how to weld from my dad. My dad is unwilling to weld the car from underneath though unless it was at standing height for him. I have no method of doing this without transporting the car to a garage which would let me hire their ramp, which is a hassle as I would have to do this several times, and I don't want to be towing the car while it is not structurally sound.

So the solution to this (and I know that this is controversial and many will not agree with it) is putting a covering of old tyres in my garage and putting the car on its side (with the interior and wing mirror removed) and welding it while on its side with fire extinguishers nearby.

This Is far from ideal, and ideally I would like to do this with the engine out also. But as a compromise when it comes to finances and not having the double garage built yet I honestly think this has to be the best way to go for my situation. I still have to iron out the fine details of the exact method of doing this safely and so as not to cause damage to the car. I know that this is not ideal.

I managed to acquire the old tyres for free from my local tyre fitters too so that's something.

 

[Giacosa]

So i have a solution to the problems of needing welding done but not the funds to spend £3000 in having a garage do it, nor the will to as I want to learn how to weld from my dad. My dad is unwilling to weld the car from underneath though unless it was at standing height for him. I have no method of doing this without transporting the car to a garage which would let me hire their ramp, which is a hassle as I would have to do this several times, and I don't want to be towing the car while it is not structurally sound.

So the solution to this (and I know that this is controversial and many will not agree with it) is putting a covering of old tyres in my garage and putting the car on its side (with the interior and wing mirror removed) and welding it while on its side with fire extinguishers nearby.

This Is far from ideal, and ideally I would like to do this with the engine out also. But as a compromise when it comes to finances and not having the double garage built yet I honestly think this has to be the best way to go for my situation. I still have to iron out the fine details of the exact method of doing this safely and so as not to cause damage to the car. I know that this is not ideal.

I managed to acquire the old tyres for free from my local tyre fitters too so that's something.

Its not unusual to roll a car onto old tyres to work on the underside, although the car is usually a mostly bare shell to make handling it easier.

You don't have to spend that much time under the car to replace the sills. Laying alongside the car or working on the floor from within the car is the most common 'positions'. I replaced the Lancia outer & inner sills and edge of floorpan without its wheels ever leaving the ground.

 

[Dragon Man]

you can do it with 2 dining room chairs.. Mr purple haze knows how its done haha

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Sounds easily doable if rolled over carefully imo

This was me with a donor at college a few years back



EDIT: Bloody hell I've put on weight since then (5.5 years ago that was!)

 

[onemanmade]

Its not unusual to roll a car onto old tyres to work on the underside, although the car is usually a mostly bare shell to make handling it easier.

You don't have to spend that much time under the car to replace the sills. Laying alongside the car or working on the floor from within the car is the most common 'positions'. I replaced the Lancia outer & inner sills and edge of floorpan without its wheels ever leaving the ground.

you can do it with 2 dining room chairs.. Mr purple haze knows how its done haha

Sounds easily doable if rolled over carefully imo

This was me with a donor at college a few years back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QvF4kK_Q8

EDIT: Bloody hell I've put on weight since then (5.5 years ago that was!)

Thanks for the input guys

If it were me doing the welding I am sure I would not be as bothered as my dad about access and lying underneath the car, but unfortunately until I learn how to weld I am relying on his helping me, and if one of his conditions is this then I think that's an ok deal

Glad to see that others have done it before. To be honest I will be glad or getting good access to the underside for removing the fuel tank, I am really nervous about shearing any of the captive bolts, and I haven't as yet been able to get a clear look at what I'm doing under the tank section yet. Should be a lot easier with the car on its side

What type of metal will I need for this by the way? Like gauge etc?

 

[Palio]

Sounds easily doable if rolled over carefully imo

This was me with a donor at college a few years back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7QvF4kK_Q8

EDIT: Bloody hell I've put on weight since then (5.5 years ago that was!)

Made it look easy Jon! Nice shirt, which were you, dopey?! :devil:

 

[panda1408]

When it comes to sills, once you have removed the outer sill all of the welding can be done from the side and inside of car. When I did the sill on the mk1 I didn't have to do any welding from below at all.

Having the car at a 45 degree angle would be better in my opinion, having it completely on its side can acutally hinder you as you will have no easy access to the inside, and you might find the height it ends up at isnt that ideal aswell. It would make it very difficult to fit a new outer sill that is for sure.

If you are leaving the engine and gearbox in you will end up with oil coming out somewhere, even if it is drained beforehand and using tyres you can still easily do damage to the bodywork, it was not designed to take the entire weight of the car and will dent very easily. A matress might be a better option, but then you need to make sure it can't catch on fire!

 

[purple haze]

you can do it with 2 dining room chairs.. Mr purple haze knows how its done haha

I'm still around you know!

 

[aquamarine]

Hi Kev! Still around - but where!?

Cameron - am interested in your plans, and was thinking of doing the same myself. I favoured tractor inner tubes as a "bed" to lie the car on, but then had doubts about the weight/flammability/damage etc as per Freddy's comments.

I've not used it yet, but have bought a rotating jig/spit which attaches at the bumper mounts. Not too expensive (£250). Will let you know how I get on in the next week or two.

How soon do you want to start welding?

David

 

[onemanmade]

Hi Kev! Still around - but where!?

Cameron - am interested in your plans, and was thinking of doing the same myself. I favoured tractor inner tubes as a "bed" to lie the car on, but then had doubts about the weight/flammability/damage etc as per Freddy's comments.

I've not used it yet, but have bought a rotating jig/spit which attaches at the bumper mounts. Not too expensive (£250). Will let you know how I get on in the next week or two.

How soon do you want to start welding?

David

It will be into next year (probably spring) before my dad will be available so about then.

I will be interested to see how you get on!

I'm a little frustrated about it as once I have the fuel tank/lines and brakes sorted it will basically be ready to go apart from the welding.

 

[purple haze]

One quick post...sorry Cameron.. Nice Sisley by the way..

We are on Crete for the winter... Nice and warm. Sicily is the home of the Y10... Loads of them. Back to euroland about end of march, then the rest of the world. Anyone wanting to follow us please send me a P.M and I will give out our Facebook.

Sorry again Cameron.. Cheers guys.

 

[onemanmade]

One quick post...sorry Cameron.. Nice Sisley by the way..

We are on Crete for the winter... Nice and warm. Sicily is the home of the Y10... Loads of them. Back to euroland about end of march, then the rest of the world. Anyone wanting to follow us please send me a P.M and I will give out our Facebook.

Sorry again Cameron.. Cheers guys.

No probs kev, good to hear from you

 

[Dragon Man]

oooo home of the Y10 you say? can you bring me back a 4x4 rear axle?

add me to facebook! its in my signature

 

[pooroldcodger]

oooo home of the Y10 you say? can you bring me back a 4x4 rear axle?

add me to facebook! its in my signature

Having spent a few days welding underneath my son's Nissan S13 I sympathise with Cameron's Dad. I got so many burns on my neck and chest I looked like I'd been "questioned" in a soviet gulag. It could have been much worse. I have now invested in a proper welding jacket but is also a bu*ger to be crawling around on the floor with a helmet on and banging your head on suspension parts!
I would agree totally - 45 degrees would be perfect as long as it is secure.
I also had a body shell partially fall off an axle stand while I was under it!

 

[onemanmade]

So far today I've removed the rear wheels and wirebrushed the hubs and inside the wheel arch, and painted some surface rust on the drivers side with black hammerite, hammered out the studs left in the sump guard box sections at the front ready for new bolts, and wire brushed and painted the sump guard. Im impressed with how good it looks! Obviously not show standard, but functional and now protected from rust. Supposing I have to repaint it, or paint with stone chip I am happy to do this too, the main thing is arresting the development of rust. Also removed the Sisley mud flaps, going to clean these and put new metalwork on them.

 

[onemanmade]

Also got the centre caps off and cleaned them. The white paint on them confirms my theory that the wheels had been painted again.