Technical Ducato Motorhome 2000 Reg.. power steering issue

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Hi,

I've just got back from a trip and the power steering pipes have gone. Leaking everywhere. I'm struggling to find any replacements. Does anyone know where i might be able to find some? Thanks.
 
Hi,

I've just got back from a trip and the power steering pipes have gone. Leaking everywhere. I'm struggling to find any replacements. Does anyone know where i might be able to find some? Thanks.
It may be worth talking to a Hydraulic Hose specialist as they make high pressure pipes and hoses in metal and reinforced rubber to suit many uses, providing you can give them a pattern, they don't just do tractors and diggers.:)
 
Hi,

I've just got back from a trip and the power steering pipes have gone. Leaking everywhere. I'm struggling to find any replacements. Does anyone know where i might be able to find some? Thanks.

Oh dear , well you don't mention left or right hand drive , so this will be general info . I completed a full rebuild on my van also a 2000 last year , as i suspected this may happen , many parts are very tricky to find then . I started sourcing parts in 2021 for my van , a left hooker , with the low pressure return hose never located . I did manage to source the large bore metal pipe from the rack itself , but not the rubber hose . The metal pipe and the high pressure hose was sourced from Coastal motorhomes in Ringwood , Bournemouth , but i made a low pressure pipe from heater hose . After a lot of research , my information revealed there was actually no pressure present here . This was backed up by the original pipe not being reinforced , but lets not forget the average cooling system operates at about 10 psi anyway , so this hose would actually support a slight pressure .
The difficult ones , are the power steering rack pipes . I sourced some pattern parts from ebay , but this took considerably time as the supplier didn't always advertise . They didn't fit exactly either but with care , were encouraged to fit . Now it should be mentioned to be careful here because there is a difference between left and right hand drive . Right are generally fairly easy , but left are particularly difficult to source . Check ebay out , but in the meantime i'll go back through my purchase history to try and find the supplier i used . It may take some time as i believe these may have been sourced in 2022 , so if the record is still there , it will be well and truly buried .

Use the term Ducato 230 power steering in the ebay search engine .
 
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It may be worth talking to a Hydraulic Hose specialist as they make high pressure pipes and hoses in metal and reinforced rubber to suit many uses, providing you can give them a pattern, they don't just do tractors and diggers.:)
Sorry Mike , but when i took my low pressure hose to a specialist , they weren't interested , but i will add Pirtek were the most helpful with information . I was short of a low pressure hose and no one wanted to take the job on . I even looked at having a hose custom made , but 500 quid just for tooling , was i figured a bit rich . I ended up making my own !!
 
Sorry Mike , but when i took my low pressure hose to a specialist , they weren't interested , but i will add Pirtek were the most helpful with information . I was short of a low pressure hose and no one wanted to take the job on . I even looked at having a hose custom made , but 500 quid just for tooling , was i figured a bit rich . I ended up making my own !!
I am surprised specialist wasn't more helpful.
When I needed anything like a couple of years ago my local guy would nearly anything, but they did all sorts of farm high pressure hoses, anything including steam cleaner pipes etc. Even pipes for a boat engine change.:)
I certainly wouldn't pay for special tooling, that's taking the pi**!
 
that's taking the pi**!

Yeah , i'm afraid i thought so too . I have since discovered a way of bending rubber hose on you tube , but i have to admit i've not tried it as yet . I used a plastic preformed bend that itself had a 15 psi limit to make the tight turns of which there are two . I finished it off with a chaff covering mesh that hid the bends , and it all looks pretty tidy . You sometimes have to think outside the box with old motors . I searched for something like 2 years to find an original replacement , and it was this that held up completion of the job , all to no avail .

Yes it came as a bit of a surprise to me too , because they were my main back stay if all else failed , which in this case happened . I didn't want to go that route first because i expected the pipes to be supplied straight and i would have to bend them , with it ending up looking untidy and none original . One local company supplied the preformed bends , but very little else , while the other , Pertek for whom i had to travel a bit , went much further . He explained the missing information i needed , and confirmed there was little to no pressure in the low pressure circuit . From that i was able to suggest heater hose could be used knowing about the cooling circuit operating pressure , and the salesman confirmed that it should work fine . They did supply a couple of crush washers needed for the connection to the steering box , which were a very odd size , and i finally plugged a leak that had developed on the high pressure circuit . The size is critical as they sit in a recess on the steering box , which could literally bleed out over night . Another odd Fiat size , something i learn't all about a few years back , while rebuilding the rear braking system . The only place i could source these washers was Italy , and they refused to accept the order . Not sure why , but it was at a time when importation was in a bit of a mess , following Brexit , so i rather think it was something to do with that . Quite pricey too , i seem to recall around 10 , 12 quid with shipping , yet Pertek supplied them for a quid , go figure . I will admit they were a fraction under size , but the leak is no more , and that was as i said earlier last year it was completed .
 
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Does anyone know where i might be able to find some? Thanks.

Okay , well i've done a bit of searching , and it appears to have been back in 2001 i sourced them . Now the strange thing is i can't find the exact order , but i seem to recall emails were exchanged , so it's my guess it was from this company ;


However i should add i brought a pair for a right hooker , with the aim of modifying the set by re-bending . I later dropped the idea as i figured the might fail early due to metal fatigue . Brass doesn't like being bent more than once . The picture looks to be for a set of right hand drive pipes , but i would suggest you contact them , and ask . I remember i was on the verge of tooling up to make my own when i managed to locate mine . But i have been making brake pipes for years , though i will add , it's not difficult . You just need to be careful not to crush the pipe .
 
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Agree about return pipe only low pressure, however not sure about using coolant hose for oil as suspect the oil will affect the rubber.
Sealing washers sound like "Dowty" washers (metal washer with a rubber sealing in centre for high pressures, should be readily available under that name.
If you can get "Kunifer " pipe in that size and have suitable mandrels for a brake pipe tool it should be suitable as strong and a degree of bending/shaping OK. I made 1/4 inch brake pipe for a 1947 lorry I used to have.
 
Agree about return pipe only low pressure, however not sure about using coolant hose for oil as suspect the oil will affect the rubber.
Sealing washers sound like "Dowty" washers (metal washer with a rubber sealing in centre for high pressures, should be readily available under that name.
If you can get "Kunifer " pipe in that size and have suitable mandrels for a brake pipe tool it should be suitable as strong and a degree of bending/shaping OK. I made 1/4 inch brake pipe for a 1947 lorry I used to have.
Yeah agree with the rubber . I have been told it will be okay but it is kept an eye on , as it's new to me as well . Like i said , being a year now , no issues so far .

Nah , the sealing washers are not the Dowty type . They were basically hollow washers that crush down . Very much like an o ring , but made of brass . Opps , scratch that copper ! . Works on the same principle as an olive in plumbing .

I've got an expensive flairing tool already , bloody heavy thing it is . It's meant for mounting in a vice , but they reckon you can use it in place , personally i think it's too heavy . Got it a couple of years ago just after i finished the rear brakes . I couldn't get good flairs every time with the cheaper 15 quid type . So i borrowed my mate's (mobile mechanic) professional kit and loved it so much , i brought my own , all 130 quids worth . Got a couple of tools that way . I've still got one of the cheaper flimsy 15 quid type for use in place , but this one is for knocking them out in bulk . At first glance , it looks like a small vice , and has several inter-changeable dies . It will make fuel pipes , but to be honest i've still to use it . I got it to do the front brakes , just i ent had chance to rebuild them yet .
 
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Yeah agree with the rubber . I have been told it will be okay but it is kept an eye on , as it's new to me as well . Like i said , being a year now , no issues so far .

Nah , the sealing washers are not the Dowty type . They were basically hollow washers that crush down . Very much like an o ring , but made of brass . Opps , scratch that copper ! . Works on the same principle as an olive in plumbing .

I've got an expensive flairing tool already , bloody heavy thing it is . It's meant for mounting in a vice , but they reckon you can use it in place , personally i think it's too heavy . Got it a couple of years ago just after i finished the rear brakes . I couldn't get good flairs every time with the cheaper 15 quid type . So i borrowed my mate's (mobile mechanic) professional kit and loved it so much , i brought my own , all 130 quids worth . Got a couple of tools that way . I've still got one of the cheaper flimsy 15 quid type for use in place , but this one is for knocking them out in bulk . At first glance , it looks like a small vice , and has several inter-changeable dies . It will make fuel pipes , but to be honest i've still to use it . I got it to do the front brakes , just i ent had chance to rebuild them yet .
I have seen the Dowty washers used on hydraulic banjo bolts etc. from new so quite effective.
Your heavy "vice type" brake pipe tool sounds a bit like the Sykes Pickavant ones I have and have used at garages since the 1970s, I have a couple of them I picked up over the years at auction when garages closing down.
I have used them in place but not easy, especially if making a joint to a steel pipe which needs more effort, although quite successful.
 
I have seen the Dowty washers used on hydraulic banjo bolts etc. from new so quite effective.
Your heavy "vice type" brake pipe tool sounds a bit like the Sykes Pickavant ones I have and have used at garages since the 1970s, I have a couple of them I picked up over the years at auction when garages closing down.
I have used them in place but not easy, especially if making a joint to a steel pipe which needs more effort, although quite successful.
Can't get a clear picture of the one your talking about , but from what i can see it does look similar .

Mine is this type ; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17518971...adow&brand=Unbranded&_trksid=p4429486.c101875.
But like i said , i've never used it in anger as yet .

Yes they are heavy , thats why i have a lighter flairing tool .
 
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This is on eBay at present , no bids starting at £65.
eBay item number:256587795734 I have this model and one slightly older still.
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