Technical Ducato motorhome problem

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Hi..newbie here..bought a brand new Fiat Ducato motorhome in March..within first 1000 miles DPF filter fault diagnosed..Fiat say not covered under their three year guarantee..dealer and motorhome converter say they cannot help..left with £3200 bill to replace this filter..anyone else had a similar problem as now about to resort to legal action.
 
There is a lot to unravel here.

How old is the motorhome?

Your contract is with the dealer and nobody else, if you resort to legal action, it will be against the dealer.

I wouldn’t even consider fixing it till you have exhausted your legal options or decided to just fix and get on with it.

Finally, what exactly is the problem?
 
Absolute crap they have to put it right
There is a lot to unravel here.

How old is the motorhome?

Your contract is with the dealer and nobody else, if you resort to legal action, it will be against the dealer.

I wouldn’t even consider fixing it till you have exhausted your legal options or decided to just fix and get on with it.

Finally, what exactly is the problem?
As he said brand new this year..
 
That's crap they have to put it right or ask for your money back..legal action if not, don't pay anything ..
Not a particularly constructive comment.

Contract is with the dealership. All communication should be with the dealership, and any work undertaken including fault investigation should only be done in accordance with the dealership approval.

Best of luck.
 
Absolute crap they have to put it right

As he said brand new this year..
They don’t have to do anything, they can be legally bound to do so with court action should they have chosen to not fulfil their legal obligations, under the Consumer Rights Act. This is expensive and full of risk, far better to understand what’s wrong and offer advice based on the facts rather than just say it’s crap and they have to do something rather than offer anything meaningful to the OP.

Also, knowing exactly how old the vehicle is will be crucial for people offering advice on resolution and possible causes as Fiat change things. I can assure you I did read what the OP put and I am aware he said brand new this year. It may have sat at the converters for 12 months.
 
There is a lot to unravel here.

How old is the motorhome?

Your contract is with the dealer and nobody else, if you resort to legal action, it will be against the dealer.

I wouldn’t even consider fixing it till you have exhausted your legal options or decided to just fix and get on with it.

Finally, what exactly is the problem?
Hi..brand new , seven months old..DPF filter according to Fiat garage..garage blamed it our driving small distances but only ever drove it on motorways, major roads..thanks for your advice and interest
 
They don’t have to do anything, they can be legally bound to do so with court action should they have chosen to not fulfil their legal obligations, under the Consumer Rights Act. This is expensive and full of risk, far better to understand what’s wrong and offer advice based on the facts rather than just say it’s crap and they have to do something rather than offer anything meaningful to the OP.

Also, knowing exactly how old the vehicle is will be crucial for people offering advice on resolution and possible causes as Fiat change things. I can assure you I did read what the OP put and I am aware he said brand new this year. It may have sat at the converters for 12 months.
Yes, brand new in March...latest Fiat Ducato engine model..Consumer Rights is our way forward via a solicitor but as you say that could be expensive so waiting to see our best option.
 
Good luck, if the problem surfaced within 6 months the onus is on them to prove that the fault didn’t exist at purchase.

Please do let us know how you get on and good luck. There is no way a DPF filter should block in a van that age unless there is an issue with it.

There is plenty of advice online ref the legal route. Should that fail, please come back. :)
 
Good luck, if the problem surfaced within 6 months the onus is on them to prove that the fault didn’t exist at purchase.

Please do let us know how you get on and good luck. There is no way a DPF filter should block in a van that age unless there is an issue with it.

There is plenty of advice online ref the legal route. Should that fail, please come back. :)
Hi..thanks for your input..considering legal action and I agree, as do several others I have asked, including mechanics, that the DPF filter should block in less than 1000 miles. Still talking to the dealer and Fiat..Fiat blame our 'poor driving, low mileage and not meeting the driving parameters, whatever they are!
 
I had an engine management light come up, connected upto OBD, which indicated DPF. After some investigation found out that the filter should auto clean but the revs need to be above 3500rpm. I have a comfortmatic and the revs are never above 3000rpm in normal use. I took motorhome along road in manual at 3500rpm for about 5 miles, plugged into OBD and cleared the alarm. The fault has never returned. I now give the engine a blast once a year. See this post https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/fiat-ducato-dpf-sensor.110269/
 
I had an engine management light come up, connected upto OBD, which indicated DPF. After some investigation found out that the filter should auto clean but the revs need to be above 3500rpm. I have a comfortmatic and the revs are never above 3000rpm in normal use. I took motorhome along road in manual at 3500rpm for about 5 miles, plugged into OBD and cleared the alarm. The fault has never returned. I now give the engine a blast once a year. See this post https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/fiat-ducato-dpf-sensor.110269/
The trouble with the claim in that thread is that it's a "they said" with no indication of proper attribution. Probably someone at a Fiat dealership, from the context, although that's not explicitly stated either. But who knows? I've plenty of experience of dealer technicians, service agents and parts department managers (not necessarily Fiat) telling the customer either what they think they want to hear, or just outright lies to try and make the customer go away.

I had an argument with a Volvo dealer who claimed that they couldn't have lost two of my wheel nut covers which were missing when I checked the car on their forecourt immediately after a service. They claimed that they must have been missing previously because they don't remove the wheels during a standard service. When I asked them why I had been asked to hand the wheel nut key to the service receptionist when I booked the car in, and how they had managed to obtain measurements of the inner and outer brake pad thicknesses at all four wheels to an accuracy of a hundredth of a millimetre, two new covers were suddenly produced from the parts department.

Another garage that claimed one of my locking wheel nuts was seized, that as a result they'd had to damage it whilst removing it and I would have to pay for a new set. I knew what they'd done because I'd actually had the same wheel off the car the day before, and torqued all the nuts correctly with a torque wrench and none were seized. But carelessly trying to spin a locking nut with an impact gun and letting it slip is another matter. My word against theirs though, and I had to suck that one up, but I let them know that I knew what had happened in no uncertain terms, and they lost any future business that I might have given them.

I could go on, but I'd only bore you all to death.

Regenerations on X290s are initiated by post injection of fuel into the cylinders to overheat the exhaust gases, and bring the exhaust temperature up to over 600C. As such they are just as achievable at 1500-2000 rpm as by revving the dogs danglies out of the engine, perhaps unlike some older implementations. It does however require the entire system to be working as intended, so if one part has malfunctioned or is not up to spec...

But on one hand, the manufacturer's warranty does specifically exclude filters. On the other hand, it might be possible to argue that a DPF has a normal life expectancy far beyond 1000 miles. So there could be room for discussion, or ultimately a legal challenge. There may be more chance of success with that argument in relation to a DPF than say, a clutch which could easily be wrecked by a customer in a day and would be difficult to prove one way or another, but still normally excluded from many warranties anyway. Nevertheless, would the warranty exclusion override any such argument, or might there be a realistic chance of success on the balance of probabilities?

But don't underestimate the amount of data that can be extracted from the engine control unit, much of which can be read with MES.

If the customer is arguing that the DPF must have been faulty from new, but the data from the vehicle shows that it has completed one or more normal regenerations, never logged what would be considered excessive amounts of clogging beyond normal service expectations etc. even that becomes a complex situation. And I'm not suggesting that there is in this particular situation, but if the ECU has logged a driver over-revving incident or other driver induced abnormality, that's more grist to the mill. And any of that could be introduced by the dealer or manufacturer if such data exists.

So "they have to put it right" unfortunately doesn't hold water, and these issues can become quite complex very quickly.
 
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