Off Topic Bye bye 500!

[Murano16v]

I owned both of these Rallyes a while back ( the Simca for 25 yrs ). They are related to each other. Simca became part of the Peugeot Talbot group before disappearing altogether, but the "rallye" name lived on.
The Peugeot was the later 1.6 . Both serious fun cars. As far removed from a 500 as you could imagine.

 

[306maxi]

I owned both of these Rallyes a while back ( the Simca for 25 yrs ). They are related to each other. Simca became part of the Peugeot Talbot group before disappearing altogether, but the "rallye" name lived on.
The Peugeot was the later 1.6 . Both serious fun cars. As far removed from a 500 as you could imagine.

Nice. It's great to see threads in here like this 2 or 3 years ago the 500 zealots would have been up in arms about this. Pay attention to little Luciauidgiario!!!! Don't look at these horrible cars

LOVE that Simca

 

[jnoiles]

the Felicia.

Am I the only person who thinks "Felicia" sounds like a sex act?

 

[306maxi]

Am I the only person who thinks "Felicia" sounds like a sex act?

Do you really want someone to perform this

on you?

 

[Lloyd71]

Right, if everyone is done making me want a Rallye?

 

[306maxi]

Right, if everyone is done making me want a Rallye?

You bought the wrong car, just face it

 

[loveshandbags]

Right, if everyone is done making me want a Rallye?

Well a 106GTI would be a very close second in the hard to get 7,250rpm better balanced 1.3...

I know its over 4 years old but skip to
7:22 for 20 seconds &
10:45 for 15 seconds

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and you'll see why ESP is not fitted.

And I reckon someone will dig out why a 306GTI 6 speed is also one to put on the 'short list'.

 

[Ffoxy]

Driving the 500 after driving this was weird, the steering felt terrible! It felt completely disconnected and far too light. I kept thinking I had left the City Steering on! And don't get me started on the throttle response. It felt completely detached. It makes me remember why I loved my old Metro so much!

I honestly dont recall liking this at all!!

 

[306maxi]

Well a 106GTI would be a very close second in the hard to get 7,250rpm better balanced 1.3...

I know its over 4 years old but skip to
7:22 for 20 seconds &
10:45 for 15 seconds

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2053328027664524544#


and you'll why ESP is not fitted.

And I reckon someone will dig out why a 306GTI 6 speed is also one to put on the 'short list'.

have a bit of gratuitous liftoff oversteer

 

[grimwau]

Am I the only person who thinks "Felicia" sounds like a sex act?

What about "loveshandbags" Lancia Falvia?

Michael, that sounds really dirty.

 

[306maxi]

What about "loveshandbags" Lancia Falvia?

Michael, that sounds really dirty.

Fulvia could be slightly naughty When I was at school back in Australia some of the kids thought Peugeot was a naughty word :s

 

[306maxi]

Oh and if we're talking 306's then here's my namesake

 

[loveshandbags]

What about "loveshandbags" Lancia Falvia?

Michael, that sounds really dirty.

Fulvia could be slightly naughty When I was at school back in Australia some of the kids thought Peugeot was a naughty word :s

This came from a thread on the Abarth side re something that I saw at a show...
https://www.fiatforum.com/abarth-500/275141-what-you-doing-summer-2.html?p=2809606

But it sorry to dissapoint you guys but it was an actual 'Lancia Falvia' and it popped into the 'picture' because I thought it would get the attention of someone who cann't get over not being able to drive his Scooby.
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So Grimwau - on this false 'call' - does it cancel the houndstooth ?

EDIT: OK - the cancel doesn't count. It's FLAVIA.

 

[306maxi]

But it's spelt Flavia

 

[J333EVO]

That picture of the 106 & Simca together is brilliant.

Which is a great link to the Abarth Simca's, the 1150, 1300 & 2000 as of course Abarth didn't work exclusively with Fiat's, they did Porsche as well, & was an aftermarket exhaust manufacturer much like SuperSprint is now to fund his racing. You could still buy Abarth exhausts right up until about 1990ish as you could get them for E30 BMW's & MK2 Golf GTi's iirc something I think is often forgotten by Fiat I mean modern Abarth owners who seem intent on distancing themselves from Fiat never mind the other stuff.

I should add the last car ever made on the Abarth production line was the Strada Abarth 130 TC, & last project Abarth engineers worked on was the Lancia Delta integrale WRC cars before being disbanded after being the most successful rally outfit ever, Lancia Fulvia, Fiat Abarth Spider, Lancia Stratos, Fiat Abartb 131, Lancia 037, Lancia Delta S4, Delta HF 4WD, integrales, what a history.

 

[loveshandbags]

But it's spelt Flavia

I wonder who thought of all those Lancia names.

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This was a car that I actually had - a Lancia Fulvia - I reckon they knew that very few of them would sell where I come from and TBH I never say a FLAVIA until last Sunday.

 

[306maxi]

That picture of the 106 & Simca together is brilliant.

Which is a great link to the Abarth Simca's, the 1150, 1300 & 2000 as of course Abarth didn't work exclusively with Fiat's, they did Porsche as well, & was an aftermarket exhaust manufacturer much like SuperSprint is now to fund his racing. You could still buy Abarth exhausts right up until about 1990ish as you could get them for E30 BMW's & MK2 Golf GTi's iirc something I think is often forgotten by Fiat I mean modern Abarth owners who seem intent on distancing themselves from Fiat never mind the other stuff.

I should add the last car ever made on the Abarth production line was the Strada Abarth 130 TC, & last project Abarth engineers worked on was the Lancia Delta integrale WRC cars before being disbanded after being the most successful rally outfit ever, Lancia Fulvia, Fiat Abarth Spider, Lancia Stratos, Fiat Abartb 131, Lancia 037, Lancia Delta S4, Delta HF 4WD, integrales, what a history.

Yep, what a history I fondly remember going to see Rally Australia and seeing such greats as Markku Alen, Juha Kankkunen, Carlos Sainz and Didier Auriol driving Integrale's Fun days...... especially compared to the crap WRC we have now. I also loved that you had homologation cars back then. Right now you can get a DS3 Racing, but whilst it's got a 1.6 turbo engine, it doesn't have 4wd......

 

[loveshandbags]

That picture of the 106 & Simca together is brilliant.

Which is a great link to the Abarth Simca's, the 1150, 1300 & 2000 as of course Abarth didn't work exclusively with Fiat's, they did Porsche as well, & was an aftermarket exhaust manufacturer much like SuperSprint is now to fund his racing. You could still buy Abarth exhausts right up until about 1990ish as you could get them for E30 BMW's & MK2 Golf GTi's iirc something I think is often forgotten by Fiat I mean modern Abarth owners who seem intent on distancing themselves from Fiat never mind the other stuff.

I should add the last car ever made on the Abarth production line was the Strada Abarth 130 TC, & last project Abarth engineers worked on was the Lancia Delta integrale WRC cars before being disbanded after being the most successful rally outfit ever, Lancia Fulvia, Fiat Abarth Spider, Lancia Stratos, Fiat Abartb 131, Lancia 037, Lancia Delta S4, Delta HF 4WD, integrales, what a history.

Interesting - I only remembered Abarth outside of Fiat doing work on Simca (a car that my cousin allowed me to drive as a 17 year old - gears used to 'crunch' on it but I liked the rear wheel drive).

The bit about Abarth owners not wanting to acknowledge the heritage of where they come from - money unfortunately can do strange things...)

Checking out Simca - it would appear Simca is part of the history of Fiat and that a 'full circle' is being completed with Chrysler back in the melting pot...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:220505_simca.jpg
Simca (Société Industrielle de Mécanique et Carrosserie Automobile) was a French automaker, founded in November 1934 by Fiat. It was directed from July 1935 to May 1963 by the Italian Henri Théodore Pigozzi (born as Enrico Teodoro Pigozzi, 1898–1964). Simca was affiliated with Fiat, but later, when Simca bought Ford's French branch, became increasingly controlled by the Chrysler Group, in 1970 becoming a part of Chrysler Europe and a brand rather than independent company. In 1978, Chrysler divested its European operations to another French automaker, PSA Peugeot Citroën, which replaced the Simca brand with Talbot, thus ending the life of the brand (although some models were badged as Simca-Talbots for a time).

 

[J333EVO]

Which brings me back to another pretty good small rally car the Talbot Samba.

Yes you can still to this day buy genuine Abarth sequential gearboxes for integrales at some 12K, Abarth gauges, carbon drive shafts first place used outside F1 iirc the first ever place tyre earners were used was by Abarth engineers on the Lancia rally cars, F1 followed.

Considering the integrale evolved to meet the rules regulating rallying you could say that as the cars had to homologated & sold to the public the integrale was the last true Abarth as form followed function hence why it won 6 manufacturer championships 4 drivers & 46 wrc events in only 6 years. Took Subaru 14 years with 5 different models of Impreza to match the number if victories.

When Abarth was disbanded most of the engineers went to Astra Racing who bought most/all of the stock as Fiat\Lancia couldn't be interested.

 

[abarth_178]

Its an Abarth not a Simca!

Lovely...