General BSM using the Fiat 500

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General BSM using the Fiat 500

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I think it is nuts of them to do without the A/C. It'll be hot and uncomfortable in the summer, and fugged up in winter - hardly conducive to calm learning. Silly that. But hey: Fiat!
 
They didnt treat him decently, they charged him £660 when the car was 4 months old...

See the "clutch failure @ 12000 mile" thread for more details.

I spoke to him earlier, he went in to Desera Fiat London with both my & some of your (RobW`s) observations & in front of other customers they said "youve not been working on cars long have you" in a humilating way...

With customer service like that, is it any wonder Fiat come in at the bottom of every J D Power survey?

He also said he`s now considering chopping it in for an Alfa Mito if BSM will be getting 500`s as he`ll loose the exclusivity of having the only 500 learner car locally, but as I pointed out to him, he`ll be dealing with the same customer service/dealers/warranty departments & the chances are, it`ll fare no better than the 500 mechanically & cost even more to fix...

He`ll end up with a Micra/Jazz/Swift at this rate...:bang:

I hope Fiat has the sense and the decency to treat him decently and pay up, if only for good publicity. If the clutches start failing on the BSM cars we'll soon know about it.

And I know a good few new drivers who bought the same cars they trained in. Many people really do find driving stressful, and anything new for these types is a horror.

A good friend has recently changed her car and is still nervous about opening the door with the remote because it has three buttons, and she is confused by it.

Still: with the GP about to be beaten with the ugly stick Fiat will need all the advertising it can get.
 
How depressing.

This is not a good Fiat day. I feel sorry for him, and as you say, Alfa is Desira too.

How about writing to Turin and trying to get some feedback from head office?
 
I learned to drive in a Metro too and I probably would have bought one had I had any money.
The prospect of learning to drive in a new 500 would have almost been too much to handle if I was learning now.
Funny how many people want to go for a burn in my hair dresser's car too.
 
A survey of BSM customers showed that about 60 per cent of them were female. I imagine, though I couldn't say for sure, that female learners probably take more lessons, not because they need them, but for confidence reasons.

If switching to Fiat 500s increase BSM's share of the female learners' market, I'm sure they won't mind losing a few young guys who need to look cool while learning to drive.
 
P.S.

I think it is nuts of them to do without the A/C. It'll be hot and uncomfortable in the summer, and fugged up in winter - hardly conducive to calm learning. Silly that. But hey: Fiat!


In the centre console, two buttons, either side of the gear shift. Push the bottom of 'em. :D

I've had a 1.4 lounge with glass roof and all for 18 months and used the air con twice.
 
I really don't know how you lot manage comfortably. I mostly don't go out without using mine, except sometimes in the middle of the night. Don't your cars get hot in the sun?

Of course it IS possible to do without - I've been driving for forty years - but why make life uncomfortable without reason?

I see the point with the 1.2 engines though; when I had a little Daihatsu I could feel the thing tense up and slow every time the compressor cut in. Which is another good reason to have the low down torque of Diesel I reckon.
 
I really don't know how you lot manage comfortably. I mostly don't go out without using mine, except sometimes in the middle of the night. Don't your cars get hot in the sun?

Of course it IS possible to do without - I've been driving for forty years - but why make life uncomfortable without reason?

I see the point with the 1.2 engines though; when I had a little Daihatsu I could feel the thing tense up and slow every time the compressor cut in. Which is another good reason to have the low down torque of Diesel I reckon.

diesels would coke up their dpf's being used as learner cars
 
diesels would coke up their dpf's being used as learner cars
Fiat are going to supply some Grande Puntos to BSM – in particular to instructors who want diesel engines. And while it's certainly true that most learning is done at relatively slow speeds around towns, there's always some amount of instruction/learning that happens on 60-70 mph roads. Also, the Pass Plus scheme takes just passed drivers onto motorways.
 
My '05 Panda MJ has just passed 44,000 miles and while it doesn't do that many lessons now, has spent quite a lot of its time reversing round corners and doing Turns in the Road and so far hasn't had any problems with its exhaust. In March it passed its 2nd MOT.

The diesel is a great learner car and if I was doing the job full time it's the one, whether 500, Panda or GP. It's economical, difficult to stall, can be manoeuvred on the clutch only and can be made to get moving pretty quickly.

As for driving techniques, during normal driving you shouldn't have to look over your shoulder when changing lanes in a built up area as proper use of mirrors should suffice and even on the Motorway I always used to advise using only mirrors before lane changing, but some cars, for instance Vauxhalls from the '90s had magnifying RH door mirrors and changing lanes without the "lifesaver" would be near suicide. Unfortunately the Panda also has poor door mirrors.

There are times when shoulder checks or "effective all-round observation" are needed, for instance just before moving off from the kerb either forward or in reverse and when carrying out maneouvres

I've only had A/C on the Focuses and Fiestas I had at the AA and even then only used it 3 or 4 times a year. We don't have it on either the Panda or the Stilo.

I joined BSM when they were still using the A Series Metros. The alternator, starter motor, clutch and battery were all non-standard items. One from a Maestro van and the others were Police spec. When we got the slightly longer 1.1 and 1.4 models came out they were a different proposition altogether. In fact they and the later Rover 100 became one of my favourite all time cars. They would also make excellent first cars.

I'm surprised BSM didn't choose the GP and even more surprised that FIAT didn't push it simply because the 500 has been getting great reviews and the GP has become a bit of a forgotten car, and doesn't often appear in any road tests now. Another reason I'm surprised that BSM didn't go down that route because when the AA started they looked at almost every aspect of what Instructors didn't like about BSM and one of those was the car. The AA started with the Polo Coupe which was more prestigious than the Metro and in fact actually went to the Rover 100 for a while before moving onto the Fiesta.

The Fiesta was the 1.25 16v Ghia with A/C and metallic paint, and after a short time alloys as well. It was an excellent car both to learn in and live with as a personal vehcile. It was succeded by the Focus Zetec 1.6 which the pupils really loved. This had A/C, alloys, CD radio and electric mirrors and seat height adjustment as well as heated front screen. I think the idea of letting some ADIs have an Astra was by way of a reward for loyalty, in which case, some are going to be well hacked off as they might have to actually buy themselves a new car as lots go on their hols in the tuition car and run the family around it it. The 500 won't be any good for that sort of thing, plus
there isn't any room for maneouvre in giving long serving Instructors a more upmarket model. 1.2 Pop to 1.4 Sport/Lounge isnt' exactly a quantum leap forward. The GP would have given them the choice of 2 or 4 door, Active, Dynamic or Sporting automatic or manual.

Many pupils who learn on a manual then switch to an auto value moving between cars which are identical with the exception of the 'box.

Then there will be the problem of trying to get a big fat Supervising Examiner in the back for Check Tests. I've actually had an Examiner in the front passenger seat plus a Senior Examiner and a Supervising Examiner in the back. Should be good for a laugh. I hope their personal hygiene is up to
scratch.
 
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He`ll end up with a Micra/Jazz/Swift at this rate...:bang:

What about Yaris or Aygo :confused:

Probably the same reason he spec`d red leather, bumper chromes, wing flags & treated it to a suitable number plate a month ago! (PA55 UNO) to stand out! its certainly good for advertising....

I do see alot of the PA55 *** plates on learner cars now :p

I really don't know how you lot manage comfortably. I mostly don't go out without using mine, except sometimes in the middle of the night. Don't your cars get hot in the sun?

OMG get over yourself darling.

The 500 is a sub cool car to drive anyway. So who need aircon when you drive a cool car :p

Fiat are going to supply some Grande Puntos to BSM – in particular to instructors who want diesel engines. And while it's certainly true that most learning is done at relatively slow speeds around towns, there's always some amount of instruction/learning that happens on 60-70 mph roads. Also, the Pass Plus scheme takes just passed drivers onto motorways.

Not in London and it suburbs. 40 Max ;)
 
It could well be (although the Aygo may be a tad small), but he is maintaining it wont be a Fiat group motor, & who could blame him...

Also bear in mind its his personal transport too & he himself wanted a 500, hence the bitter disapointment he`s feeling. He really doesnt want to go Japanese, but it looks like he might have to or revert to Vauxhall or try the massively overpriced Fiesta (he isnt stupid enough to buy French!).


What about Yaris or Aygo :confused:

I do see alot of the PA55 *** plates on learner cars now :p
 
Then there will be the problem of trying to get a big fat Supervising Examiner in the back for Check Tests. I've actually had an Examiner in the front passenger seat plus a Senior Examiner and a Supervising Examiner in the back. Should be good for a laugh. I hope their personal hygiene is up to
scratch.

Imagine that then in a small car, in summer, with no A/C: joy!

OMG get over yourself darling.

The 500 is a sub cool car to drive anyway. So who need aircon when you drive a cool car

Looks like it will soon be a lot less cool, and I'd rather be at ease in a non-cool car than sweating in a cool one. Talk about self-flagellation :p
 
there will be the problem of trying to get a big fat Supervising Examiner in the back for Check Tests. I've actually had an Examiner in the front passenger seat plus a Senior Examiner and a Supervising Examiner in the back. Should be good for a laugh. I hope their personal hygiene is up to
scratch.
told you they hadn't thought this through :p or what if the pupil bring's a family member for moral support ( as some do ) the grande punto would have been a miles better option for pupil's / instructors.
 
Then there will be the problem of trying to get a big fat Supervising Examiner in the back for Check Tests. I've actually had an Examiner in the front passenger seat plus a Senior Examiner and a Supervising Examiner in the back. Should be good for a laugh. I hope their personal hygiene is up to
scratch.

500C...lowered through the roof;)
 
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