General Bravo Sporting?

[J.R Racing]

If that is the case I see where its coming from now.

It was a misunderstanding by me. I was under the misaprehension that it would be released alongside the existing 1.9 unit. A new unit would make complete sense I guess as long as it is more powerful and doesn't demolish that advantage with a poorer power to weight ratio over the existing 1.9 litre unit.

As long as the 1.9 is discontinued.

 

[Scrogg]

Yes I must say the 1.8-T seems unlikely certainly in this time period.

Why?

Went to fiat the other day and the guy said they have heard nothing on such a model and he's more like a friend known him for years so I don't think he'd keep it from us.

He may not keep it from you, but clearly his Sales Manger has kept it from him, as he/she was told at exactly the same meeting (albeit in a different location) that I was.

 

[Hellcat]

Won't a 2.0 16v diesel with extra bhp/torque make an abarth version of the Bravo pretty much a no-go? Especially if Lancia are wanting to make a return to the UK and other markets with the new Delta which is a bravo is a different frock.

I mean who will want to spend an extra 4/5 grand on an Abarth/Delta with around 180bhp when for 16k you will be able to get a 165bhp multijet which will be mappable to 200+ and cost less to run.

 

[Venters]

Thats an arguement thats been running in the GP section for a while now.

 

[J.R Racing]

Why?

He may not keep it from you, but clearly his Sales Manger has kept it from him, as he/she was told at exactly the same meeting (albeit in a different location) that I was.

Err he is the sales manager! lol.

Only reason I say 'why' is he is very informative to us about upcoming stuff usually.

I am not someone to talk rubbish just because I feel like it. Whatever i'm sure time will tell won't it! I sure hope they do release a 1.8 GT.

 

[jetweed]

There is certainly a 1.8 T-Jet in existance...

Alfa and Lancia shall be using it... so I can't see why Fiat cannot for their Abarth Bravo...

As for spec's - the 1.8 is going to be 200bhp in the Delta and 230bhp in Alfa's... Namely a Mito GTA at 230bhp for instance...

However where would you put an Abarth Bravo with that engine? Its a tip toeing process around other brands always with the Fiat Group... Never VW Group with Seat ; VW and Skoda however...

The 2.0 M-Jet has no such GM Block... it is an FPT designed engine... Perhaps the 2.0 will be a replacement for the 1.9 in the Bravo... as quite rightly said the 1.9 M-Jet is old now..
and the 2.0 is reportedly to have 20% more torque... YUMMY



Maybe the Abarth will have the 1.9 Twinstage 190BHP M-Jet engine?? Now that would separate it from the sister brands?!

SO MANY POSSIBILITIES NOW... Such superb engine range.. 1.4 T-JET 180BHP ; 1.8 T-JET 200bhp -230BHP or 1.9 M-JET 190BHP...


Anyhow... theres been no rumouring of an Abarth Bravo on Italiaspeed... the fountain all that is truthful in the Italian Car world..


So where has this come from?? Please dont say oh a mate down the pub knows Sergio Marchimone and he said.... blah

 

[nebrog23]

Personally I think a bravo GT would be better than a Bravo abarth, just sounds a bit boy racer for the size of the car etc but suppose there is the focus st amongst others. Think a bravo abarth would have to look subtle but have a uprated handling package,brakes etc. Hopefully thats maybe what the GT will have.
Must admit I was thinking of changing my GPS to a bravo but may just hang on to see if a new 2.0 m-jet comes out.
Personally I'd like the 1.6 120hp m-jet in sport guise.

 

[Venters]

Personally I'd like the 1.6 120hp m-jet in sport guise.

Why?

 

[nebrog23]

Why?

Cheap tax, insurance and economy but then could be remapped maybe. To be honest I wouldn't buy it because it costs nearly as much as the 150 T-jet and little less than the 150 m-jet

 

[Venters]

Cheap tax, insurance and economy but then could be remapped maybe. To be honest I wouldn't buy it because it costs nearly as much as the 150 T-jet and little less than the 150 m-jet

1.6 120bhp isn't cheap tax. Only the 105 with the eco pack is.

 

[Scrogg]

There are two new Bravo models coming in the next six months. A 2.0 16v MultiJet 165 GT and a 1.8 T-Jet (BHP not yet known) GT

It won't be confirmed in writing until tomorrow, but Fiat today announced to the dealer network that the 2.0 MultiJet 165 is going to be available from September.

 

[nebrog23]

It won't be confirmed in writing until tomorrow, but Fiat today announced to the dealer network that the 2.0 MultiJet 165 is going to be available from September.

Any news on the 1.8T as well? Quite like the sound of the new engines. Wonder if the diesel has even better economy than the current range.

 

[Scrogg]

Any news on the 1.8T as well?

No

They may have just forgotten/neglected to mention it though. I'll know tomorrow when the official announcement is sent out...

Quite like the sound of the new engines. Wonder if the diesel has even better economy than the current range.

I would guess so. Fuel economy is at the forefront of every manufacturers mind nowadays.

The 1.9 isn't Euro V compliant, so expect it to go out of production this year, as it will not be able to be sold in a new car from October.

 

[Hellcat]

Is that another reduction in mpg/performance to get it through the emissions check?

 

[Venters]

Is that another reduction in mpg/performance to get it through the emissions check?

There certainly isn't with the 1.6 120 replacing the 1.9 120.
Or the 500s 1.2 compared to the GP and Pandas 1.2.

 

[Hellcat]

I mean with each move to Euro whatever regs you see a bit more performance lost. May only be a HP here and there but they all add up. Of course the manufacturers seem to get around it but tech for tech the cleaner cars tend to be less powerful. Mk1 vs Mk2 Tipo. No cat vs cat. 148bhp vs 142.

 

[Skitz]

It won't be confirmed in writing until tomorrow, but Fiat today announced to the dealer network that the 2.0 MultiJet 165 is going to be available from September.

Sounds good... be intresting to see the price & options for this

 

[nebrog23]

Any more news Scrogg?

 

[Scrogg]

Any more news Scrogg?

No

There are three 'new' models coming over the next few months, so Fiat are announcing them in order.

Today was the Sedici 4X2, next it will be the Panda 4X4 MultiJet, then the new Bravo engine(s)...

 

[Venters]

I mean with each move to Euro whatever regs you see a bit more performance lost. May only be a HP here and there but they all add up. Of course the manufacturers seem to get around it but tech for tech the cleaner cars tend to be less powerful. Mk1 vs Mk2 Tipo. No cat vs cat. 148bhp vs 142.

Well the 1.6 120 is Euro 5 and the 1.9 isn't.
The 1.2 in the 500 is Euro 5 and the 1.2 in the Panda isn't.
Both Euro 5 engines are more powerful and more economical.