Anyone used Motoflow magnetic fuel conditioner?

[chaos]

We know the oil industry has billions in spare cash but would they waste it on proving something works which could reduce their profits?

You say this but look up who funded (in part at least) the hydrogen bus trials in Iceland.

The data from your log sheets wouldn't be suitable. There's so many variables that can and will have changed which would have to be accounted for.

I think it's unlikely that anything would be released into the fuel stream TBH. That says to me that the alloy would decompose, which is definately not a good thing (especially on a diesel lump considering the fuel pressures involved).

 

[volxstu]

Also to add that the Oil industry will have put $Billions of research into the efficiency of Fossil Fuels and Alternative energy. There is only a limited amount of Resource of Fossil Fuel so these companies need to find new ways providing energy and preserving the resources we have to continue trading.

 

[chaos]

Chaos gave a very informed view in this thread.
https://www.fiatforum.com/spamalot/234019-all-new-ebay-tat.html

I forgot about that thread. I shouldn't have mentioned electrostatics as it can confuse.

One of my opinions has changed a little since then; I've since read that the French add 5% biodiesel to their 'normal' diesel. Whether that's totally true or not, I don't know, but I have no reason to dispute it. Since that would require some, but not a huge, change in infrastructure, there should be no reason why others couldn't follow suit.

 

[Shadeyman]

I forgot about that thread. I shouldn't have mentioned electrostatics as it can confuse.

One of my opinions has changed a little since then; I've since read that the French add 5% biodiesel to their 'normal' diesel. Whether that's totally true or not, I don't know, but I have no reason to dispute it. Since that would require some, but not a huge, change in infrastructure, there should be no reason why others couldn't follow suit.

The government’s Road Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO) requires that all road fuel in the UK contains at least 5% biofuel by 2010. So, whether you like it or not, your vehicles are runing on Biofuel of somesort.

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http://www.renewablefuelsagency.gov.uk/aboutthertfo

 

[sludgeguts]

Im on about the magnets that clamp round the gas pipes mind, was this the same thing?
Because gas is metered we can work out down the the last KW of energy produced by the boiler on the gas.

Also are you on about Magnaclean filters on the heating system it's self? they do work and work well! it removes all the iron oxide (black sludge,rust) out of the water they are good, i fit them on loads of heating systems but thats the water side.
Also Scale reducers do work and they are magnetic.

Sorry, missed that post.
The magnets used were fairly chunky & iirc all looked to be the same sort of thing - ie, two lumps of metal clamped around the pipe with cable ties, a plastic box and a mains lead.

 

[Argonought]

Sludge, I think most on here would agree that magnetic scale reducers do in fact have some effect (I would based on direct experience) but I think extending that idea that magnets have beneficial affect on just about everything is taking it a bit far.

You appear to really believe you're getting improved mpg (based on both threads I've read) so why don't you just do the obvious.

Assuming you're already monitoring fuel usage then remove the magnets and tell us what happens to your consumption. (I'd strongly recommend posting the results on Fuelly.com too)

 

[sludgeguts]

Sludge, I think most on here would agree that magnetic scale reducers do in fact have some effect (I would based on direct experience) but I think extending that idea that magnets have beneficial affect on just about everything is taking it a bit far.

You appear to really believe you're getting improved mpg (based on both threads I've read) so why don't you just do the obvious.

Assuming you're already monitoring fuel usage then remove the magnets and tell us what happens to your consumption. (I'd strongly recommend posting the results on Fuelly.com too)

I believe I did get improved mpg in my old car, hence I transferred the magnets to my new car as soon as I bought it.
My 'monitoring fuel usage' is basically an expectation that I can put in 45.46 litres of diesel every 450 miles. Having just done about 50 miles since fuelling up, I would be happy to remove the magnets.
As for extending that idea that magnets have beneficial affect on just about everything is taking it a bit far - well, I first saw that idea on Tomorrows world, where the owner of a lame racehorse brought a guy over from Australia to try out his 'revolutionary' healing technique. this basically involved placing magnets over / around the damaged area. Where this horse would normally have been put out to pasture (or even put down), it was now back to full health and working again.
And talking of belief - my OH is a regular churchgoer and probably more than half the planet worships a deity of one sort or another. is there any scientific basis for this or should we go out and mock the religious?

 

[skaramazoo]

Bullshine I vote... you're describing a 33% fuel economy improvement.

Believe it or not - mind you, I didn't believe my eyes at first - this is what the pump at the petrol station measured. BTW, I wasn't drunk at the time

Christ if any effects were that dramatic we'd have no concerns about fuel running out... or wait... do I sense a conspiracy theory coming up here between Oil Companies & Car Manufacturers...? :chin:

Oh no, no conspiracy theories whatsoever. You can rest assured there are no conspiracies taking place nowadays. We need not worry about anything at all.
Cheers!

 

[sledge]

So.....here we are a day later and no one has yet met my challenge and provided indesputable evidence that these things actually work (and lets face it the onus is on the supporters to prove they work rather than on the detractors to prove they dont).

Instead it would seem us cynics are being expected to accept personal beliefs and what are claimed to be the outcomes of massively variable and totaly uncontrolled situations at face value.......HHmmm....... its not convincing gents. If this was a court of law the case would have been open and shut by now. The verdict would have been reached a long time ago.... ""GUILTY AS CHARGED""!.... due to the total lack of credible and independant evidence to support the claim

Who was it that once said "Hard facts should not get in the way of personal opinion" ??

It seems to me this topic has gone full circle now. What was originaly the question "Do these things work?" has now become a desperate struggle by some to justify sound reasoning for spending money on these things in the face of being laughed at.

 

[sludgeguts]

So.....here we are a day later and no one has yet met my challenge and provided indesputable evidence that these things actually work (and lets face it the onus is on the supporters to prove they work rather than on the detractors to prove they dont).

Instead it would seem us cynics are being expected to accept personal beliefs and what are claimed to be the outcomes of massively variable and totaly uncontrolled situations at face value.......HHmmm....... its not convincing gents. If this was a court of law the case would have been open and shut by now. The verdict would have been reached a long time ago.... ""GUILTY AS CHARGED""!.... due to the total lack of credible and independant evidence to support the claim

Who was it that once said "Hard facts should not get in the way of personal opinion" ??

It seems to me this topic has gone full circle now. What was originaly the question "Do these things work?" has now become a desperate struggle by some to justify sound reasoning for spending money on these things in the face of being laughed at.

Millions of people throught the world believe in some omnipotent being - some devote their whole lives to said being, others offer up much of their hard-earned.
Where is the hard evidence? where is the scientific facts to support?
Are we to go out and laugh at every religious person?

 

[neeny09]

but religion is a matter of faith not facts! it's something that can't be measured or weighed where are these magnets can be tested and obviously the fact that no one has really bothered to test them fully over thousands of miles in 100's of cars they obviously don't work cause if they did they would have been tested and implemented years ago

religion and MPG improving magnets cannot be compared they are totally different things!

 

[ChrisUK]

I tell you what would help. A methane pipe from my a*se after I've had a good curry :slayer:

 

[volxstu]

religion and MPG improving magnets cannot be compared they are totally different things!

No there not. they are both bullsh!t

 

[sledge]

Millions of people throught the world believe in some omnipotent being - some devote their whole lives to said being, others offer up much of their hard-earned.
Where is the hard evidence? where is the scientific facts to support?
Are we to go out and laugh at every religious person?

Totaly irrelevent Sir, for the following reason.......

It is impossible to scientificaly prove or disprove without doubt the existance of any God, however the efficiency and functionality of fuel magnets could be scientificaly proven without doubt before lunchtime tomorrow......strange thing is no one seems interested in doing it.

 

[volxstu]

Nobody has bothered because it would be like disproving snake oil, 20bhp mod chips or computer fan superchargers.

 

[Shadeyman]

The question: "can these devices ionise fuel"?

Remove most of the variables by testing the devices in a lab.

Pump fuel through a pipe with these devices attached and measure any effects.(Ionisation)

Obviously as a control, the same setup without the devices attached would probabely be a could idea for comparing results.

No Ionisation detected = No benefits to your car.

Ionisation detected = possible benefits to your car.

Not really a difficult thing for a lab to do so it seems strange that no one has done it to prove or disprove the effectiveness of these devices. :shrug:

 

[Argonought]

The question: "can these devices ionise fuel"?

Pretty irrelevant really.

The only consideration is do they offer any improvements to fuel consumption - which frankly is rather an elementary test.

If they do then the next step would be to investigate why.

 

[sledge]

Not really a difficult thing for a lab to do so it seems strange that no one has done it to prove or disprove the effectiveness of these devices. :shrug:

The onus is always to prove, not disprove. By proving, someone will see a substantial financial benefit and there lies the incentive. There is nothing to gain by disproving........but yes I agree, it is very strange that the manufacturers have not subjected the product to any sort of independent testing given the claims they make about it

 

[Shadeyman]

Pretty irrelevant really.

The only consideration is do they offer any improvements to fuel consumption - which frankly is rather an elementary test.

If they do then the next step would be to investigate why.

"Pretty irrelevant" Why?

The website for the devices I originally started the thread about specifically states "Ionisation By Magnetic Induction".

So detecting any resulting ionisation in a lab would prove or disprove their claim.

Road tests contain to many variants for a 100% result to be achieved, the only way is in a lab.

Edit

The onus is always to prove, not disprove. By proving, someone will see a substantial financial benefit and there lies the incentive. There is nothing to gain by disproving........but yes I agree, it is very strange that the manufacturers have not subjected the product to any sort of independent testing given the claims they make about it

This report says the devices reduce emissions, gives better MPG and a power increase. :chin:
http://www.ecomagnets.com/include/warren_spring_ecomagnets.pdf

 

[dave]

ive not lept up with this thread i see it getting very long and though it must have gone off topic, as no one would really think this works, but i just clicked because i bored. people are on a wind up aint they?