Styling Abarth 500 wheels on a Panda

[DraigFlag87]

Does anybody know if the Abarth 500 wheels seen on my car below will fit a Panda? If so, will there be any issues at all? They are 205/40 R17. I know the 500 is based on the Panda so in theory they should.
I've had a few people ask me if they fit as i have a set for sale ​

 

[randysbits]

If the stud pattern is the same, then yes they will fit dependent on bore size also, as apparently they don't fit a grande punto (4x100 maybe). As far as i know, the 500's are 4x98 right ? If so, the only option i know in this country for the smallest size to fit that rim is a 195/40/17, other than that, a very rare 185/35/17 but this would have to be a special order item, only seen this size once through an import.

Offset though is as important as anything here, often overlooked, spacers, longer wheel bolts, no always as straightforward of just bolting on some different alloys.

P.S. Would love to see these A500 alooys on a Panda :slayer:

 

[Gary]

unless you are going for ultra low profile tyres they wont fit.

As for width, they would be too wide for the Panda as well i would have thought

 

[DraigFlag87]

Thanks both. I really thought they would fit. Obviously the wheels between the 500 and the Panda are interchangeable no probs, and I've seen a fair few standard 500's with Abarth wheels. I attempted a Shop job on my old Panda, looks a bit doesn't it?!

 

[306maxi]

Offset is wrong for the 100hp IIRC. But it will fit as such but tbh someone's going to be in for a bumpy ride if they do it!!!!!! I think the offset on a non-100hp Panda will be fine though, offset on the 500 is et35 so if someone wants to check their handbook

 

[babbo umbro]

Possible interference with fuel filler on off-side rear? Even more restriction on steering lock, especially to the right, because of six-speed box on 100HP?

 

[ycming]

What is the offset of the panda? Calculate the rolling radius of the panda, then get tyre to suit the panda 15" wheekls.

Ming

 

[306maxi]

What is the offset of the panda? Calculate the rolling radius of the panda, then get tyre to suit the panda 15" wheekls.

Ming

I think the standard Panda offset is et35 but could be wrong. I think the 100hp is 42 or 45 or something?

 

[rob_g_clarkson]

the ET of the standard 100hp wheels is 35 (or maybe 33, can't remember which, but it's defo one of the two...) with a width of 6.5"

what's the width of the Abarth wheels? once you know the exact specs of the Abarth one you can use this to tell you what you need to know... click me

 

[Demic]

Just checked the spare 100hp alloy in my garage and the ET is stamped as 30 on the back of one of the spokes. Hope this helps.

 

[DraigFlag87]

Just checked the spare 100hp alloy in my garage and the ET is stamped as 30 on the back of one of the spokes. Hope this helps.

Thanks for all the replies, I'll turn a wheel over at work tomorrow if i remember, and check the ET on them. Hopefully, i will know if they fit then

 

[J333EVO]

The offset (ET) of a wheel is different dependent on the width of the wheel. Therefore if the Abarth wheels are 7" wide, as opposed to 6.5" wide on the Panda wheels the ET will be different as there is an extra 1/2 of wheel to accomdate.

ET is the distance from the wheels centre line to the back of the mounting face.

Though if you get it to be pretty close, ie 2-3mm it should all work out OK, but if there's a big difference you want it to be so that the wheel sits further inside the arch, ie ET50 as you can then use spacers to move it back out, there's nothing you can do if it sticks out to much ie ET10 as you can't remove the mounting surface as you would weaken the wheel.

All the info is normally stamped on the wheel 17x7J ET35 for example, J is not width, but J is type of bead seal for the rim and tyre, most standard wheels are J fitting apart from some speacil high performance tyres like the Nissan GTR which have a different fiting to ensure the tyre remains on the rim under high G force loading.

 

[306maxi]

The offset (ET) of a wheel is different dependent on the width of the wheel. Therefore if the Abarth wheels are 7" wide, as opposed to 6.5" wide on the Panda wheels the ET will be different as there is an extra 1/2 of wheel to accomdate.

ET is the distance from the wheels centre line to the back of the mounting face.

Though if you get it to be pretty close, ie 2-3mm it should all work out OK, but if there's a big difference you want it to be so that the wheel sits further inside the arch, ie ET50 as you can then use spacers to move it back out, there's nothing you can do if it sticks out to much ie ET10 as you can't remove the mounting surface as you would weaken the wheel.

All the info is normally stamped on the wheel 17x7J ET35 for example, J is not width, but J is type of bead seal for the rim and tyre, most standard wheels are J fitting apart from some speacil high performance tyres like the Nissan GTR which have a different fiting to ensure the tyre remains on the rim under high G force loading.

Are you sure the offset is different?

I'm fairly sure the ET on the boggo 500 is the same no matter what the rim width.

 

[J333EVO]

I am 100% sure that the offset changes depending on width of wheel, I showed the diagram to demonstrate this.

As the ET is the distance between mounting face and centre line, it stands to reason that the overall width increase the distance between the centre line and mounting face moves, therefore creating a different ET.

If the wheel width increase but the ET remains the same therefore the increase in width is spread equally inside and outside the wheel arch.

But if you want to have the inside of the wheel to remain exactly as it was before in-case you have clearance issue on suspension etc then you put the extra width to the outside which means a decrease in ET. ie ET 10 sits way further out.

Or if you find that the wider wheel is rubbing on the wheel arch rim, you would want to move the wheel further inside the arch, then ET would increase ie ET60.

This is of course on negative ET cars which most if not all modern cars are makes the wheel stronger as if you have too much rim unsupported on the inside you need to make the wheel much heavier to compensate.

 

[306maxi]

I am 100% sure that the offset changes depending on width of wheel, I showed the diagram to demonstrate this.

As the ET is the distance between mounting face and centre line, it stands to reason that the overall width increase the distance between the centre line and mounting face moves, therefore creating a different ET.

If the wheel width increase but the ET remains the same therefore the increase in width is spread equally inside and outside the wheel arch.

But if you want to have the inside of the wheel to remain exactly as it was before in-case you have clearance issue on suspension etc then you put the extra width to the outside which means a decrease in ET. ie ET 10 sits way further out.

Or if you find that the wider wheel is rubbing on the wheel arch rim, you would want to move the wheel further inside the arch, then ET would increase ie ET60.

This is of course on negative ET cars which most if not all modern cars are makes the wheel stronger as if you have too much rim unsupported on the inside you need to make the wheel much heavier to compensate.

I accept what you're saying.

The point I'm making though is that all of the wheel options for the 500 aside from the 15" steelie for the 1.4 (ET40) are listed in the manual as ET35. My 500 is as per the specs on both its winter steelies and summer alloys but because they're an inch narrower, the winter rims don't fill out the arches as much.