Hi all I'm looking into buying a 2009 169 1.3 diesel 52k full service history nice straight clean bodywork, just thought I would ask for fellow forum members opinion on what to look for and what they are like reliability wise it's for my stepson,
Technical 1.3 mj 169
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Give the back axel a good coat of looking at,
other than that and the ignition switch that
can be changed for about £20 the tyres are
worth looking at as abnormal ware can be due
to bottom ball joints they are the same as any car.
They like to be used so a low milage one may need
a few odds n sods till it settles in.
The turbos are quite laggy but once you get used to
getting the revs up if you want to make progress it's
fine,.
other than that and the ignition switch that
can be changed for about £20 the tyres are
worth looking at as abnormal ware can be due
to bottom ball joints they are the same as any car.
They like to be used so a low milage one may need
a few odds n sods till it settles in.
The turbos are quite laggy but once you get used to
getting the revs up if you want to make progress it's
fine,.
Not ULEZ compliant, banned from Scottish city's
If you don't know these engines it's best to take someone with you
Clogged EGR
Clogged DPF I think by 09 it will have one
Oil in turbo
Glow plugs, consumables, but can get stuck
Leaking injectors
Has the timing chain been done
Coolant losses
Rear axle rot nearside
Bottom of the sills just forward of the rear wheel NS
Noises from the gearbox
Clutch slip
Leaking from high pressure pump
Pretty much everything else is cheap and easy to fix
Which sounds a bit negative
It's a good engine, but is prone to problems if used for short journeys and or the oil isn't change on schedule, looked after there's several that have done over half a million miles
If you don't know these engines it's best to take someone with you
Clogged EGR
Clogged DPF I think by 09 it will have one
Oil in turbo
Glow plugs, consumables, but can get stuck
Leaking injectors
Has the timing chain been done
Coolant losses
Rear axle rot nearside
Bottom of the sills just forward of the rear wheel NS
Noises from the gearbox
Clutch slip
Leaking from high pressure pump
Pretty much everything else is cheap and easy to fix
Which sounds a bit negative
It's a good engine, but is prone to problems if used for short journeys and or the oil isn't change on schedule, looked after there's several that have done over half a million miles
When they were new, these were just about the cheapest cars you could buy, and they are built down to that price. They were never designed to last for as long as folks are keeping them now (though you could say that about most used cars).
At this age, condition is everything. What it's going to cost you going forward will depend on what goes wrong with it, not what's right with it. You might get several more years from it, or you could be having it towed for scrap in a few months time.
You need to be aware that, at any time, something could fail which will cost more than the value of the car to repair.
As others have said, with something this old, the simpler, the better, so my preference would be for a petrol car.
I'd suggest not overpaying for it.
At this age, condition is everything. What it's going to cost you going forward will depend on what goes wrong with it, not what's right with it. You might get several more years from it, or you could be having it towed for scrap in a few months time.
You need to be aware that, at any time, something could fail which will cost more than the value of the car to repair.
As others have said, with something this old, the simpler, the better, so my preference would be for a petrol car.
I'd suggest not overpaying for it.
Old diesel cars have too many problems and I wouldn't buy one.
For the low mileage and full service history the price is going to be high?
For the low mileage and full service history the price is going to be high?
If it's on a dealer's forecourt, I'd expect it to be.
I wouldn't want to be paying more than three figures for it. Pre covid, a 15+ yr old Panda would have been a £500 car, on a good day.
I knew someone who paid £8k for a low mileage, mint condition, 10 year old Panda. It came with a 3 month warranty, the forecourt refused to repair the bearings when they went a few weeks after she bought it. Some people don't know how to use Google to establish even a ball park figure for a fair price
Post it's reg
Or look on here
www.gov.uk
See if anything stands out
Or look on here
Check the MOT history of a vehicle
Check the MOT history of a vehicle from 2005 onwards, including if it passed or failed, its mileage and why it failed, download MOT test certificate
See if anything stands out
Agree. Post the reg!Post it's reg
Or look on here
Check the MOT history of a vehicle
Check the MOT history of a vehicle from 2005 onwards, including if it passed or failed, its mileage and why it failed, download MOT test certificate
See if anything stands out
There rarely a simple yes or no answer
Do you do your own repairs or pay a garage
I do all my own repairs, I they and try and buy under 10 years old, at 15 year even well serviced things will be starting to fail, labour isn't cheap
Diesel
Higher insurance
Higher tax
Vs
More power
Better MPG
I had a couple of diesel cars, because I was doing a lot of miles and at the time diesel pump prices was cheaper plus the extra MPG, and it was before ULEZ
Do you do your own repairs or pay a garage
I do all my own repairs, I they and try and buy under 10 years old, at 15 year even well serviced things will be starting to fail, labour isn't cheap
Diesel
Higher insurance
Higher tax
Vs
More power
Better MPG
I had a couple of diesel cars, because I was doing a lot of miles and at the time diesel pump prices was cheaper plus the extra MPG, and it was before ULEZ
Good question; this is probably the most important factor affecting the economics of running an older car.
I would advise anyone who depends on a garage for repairs not to buy anything >8 yrs old, if possible. A newer but more expensive car could be cheaper overall once labour costs are factored in, and that's before we talk about the hassle of having a breakdown you can't fix yourself.
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My 2009 70 bhp (pre DPF) is cheap to insure and tax is £25 per year. But I bought it really cheap (£100) because the cam chain was broken. This is not catastrophic but will bend two valves so it's an engine out of the car job. I also had injection pump and injector problems but that was also to be expected on a high miles car. It was hard to diagnose as Multi ECU Scan (MES) does not give enough information to find the true cause. From bitter experience start with the injectors.
I love the diesel, but if you can't DIY this stuff, just get a 1.2 petrol and be happy.
If the clutch is new, make sure you see the parts invoice because a petrol engine clutch will fit and last about 6 months before the friction plate falls apart. Unscrupulous (or not very bright) mechanics will just "throw in" a clutch. The diesel clutch is noticeably heavier than any petrol clutch including the 1.4.
Rotten back axle and back end of the sills is common on the 169 as they are all over 10 years old. However sill repairs need not be silly money. Choose carefully who does the work.
I love the diesel, but if you can't DIY this stuff, just get a 1.2 petrol and be happy.
If the clutch is new, make sure you see the parts invoice because a petrol engine clutch will fit and last about 6 months before the friction plate falls apart. Unscrupulous (or not very bright) mechanics will just "throw in" a clutch. The diesel clutch is noticeably heavier than any petrol clutch including the 1.4.
Rotten back axle and back end of the sills is common on the 169 as they are all over 10 years old. However sill repairs need not be silly money. Choose carefully who does the work.
This is good advice.
There have been years I could have hired a new car for £200 a month and still been better off than owning an old car and taking it to a garage regularly. I've lived and learnt. I reckon i can now keep 2 old cars on the road for <£500 a year in parts.
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Update the son didn't want the panda mj, so we ended up getting him a 62k 2013 peugeot 107 1.0 litre 3 cylinder, i spent yesterday morning fitting some new pads and discs and did an oil an filter service nice little car everything on it seems in order time will tell be honest finding a decent car in the 2k price is a minefield it was a toss up between this the panda and little ford ka which I would have wanted out of these 3 but he wanted the peugeot
I've always had a soft spot for the smol Citgeota, Aygo I tried was a lot of fun, almost tempted but I find the extra space of the Panda useful.
Surely plenty of life left in the 107's cam chain at that mileage and a better bet than a diesel for your son, hope he enjoys it
Surely plenty of life left in the 107's cam chain at that mileage and a better bet than a diesel for your son, hope he enjoys it
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He loves it, it is a pretty little car not as much space inside as my panda but ultimately he has to drive it, I'm not one to tell him what he should drive, needed a good clean which he did yesterday bless him, its pretty good underneath but I will treat the subframes to a clean up and wax them, I like the 3 pot engines,my dad has had a C1 and currently owns a VW up which also has a 3 pot in it I like the sound of them there not a V6 but hey hoI've always had a soft spot for the smol Citgeota, Aygo I tried was a lot of fun, almost tempted but I find the extra space of the Panda useful.
Surely plenty of life left in the 107's cam chain at that mileage and a better bet than a diesel for your son, hope he enjoys it
Park the C1 and 107 nose to nose and you're nearly there
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Weld the engines together ala triumph stag two dolly engines welded upPark the C1 and 107 nose to nose and you're nearly there
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Even after dealing with its coolant system design faults, the Stag V8 overheating aggravated by poor airflow out of the engine compartment. Someone stuck Post It notes around the grill and found air was actually exiting around the headlights! What-the-what!!!Weld the engines together ala triumph stag two dolly engines welded up
Sorry this a is a Fiat Forum. Bad me.
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