Tuning Today's Dyno run chart
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there decent results how much did that cost you to get the test done?
looking at your chart as well it seems with the TMC tuning box on its smoothed out the power delivery at the start or am i being simple and not reading it correctly?
UKDucatiman
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Graig, the TMC box plugs in between the common rail and ECU loom and as such I assume is an amplifier circuit only (TMC Daron -any more info here?). To smooth out the dips you would need a full remap. However this is more expensive on two accounts purchase and dyno time to set-up.
As more power comes in earlier the pick-up from low down is much improved which is what I wanted to fix. The kit was £115.00 Inc of VAT & delivery and the dyno cost was £50 for two runs. Having been out this morning for a blast round the local roads it feels like a different animal and as show in the chart has loads more power all over the rev range. A very good result for a small outlay
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Graig, the TMC box plugs in between the common rail and ECU loom and as such I assume is an amplifier circuit only (TMC Daron -any more info here?). To smooth out the dips you would need a full remap. However this is more expensive on two accounts purchase and dyno time to set-up.
As more power comes in earlier the pick-up from low down is much improved which is what I wanted to fix. The kit was £115.00 Inc of VAT & delivery and the dyno cost was £50 for two runs. Having been out this morning for a blast round the local roads it feels like a different animal and as show in the chart has loads more power all over the rev range. A very good result for a small outlay
I'll try and explain how the box works, on diesel engines unlike petrols getting more power is very simple, with a diesel engine basically adding more fuel (within reason) creates more power. On most diesels even when re-mapping you can achieve results only by altering fuelling at least on cars pre-cat (DPF) although most good re-maps will have many alterations to achieve the best results.
DPF( Diesel Particulate Filters) are the latest 'green' idea for lowering emissions and are fitted to most new diesel engines but they are not without their problems! DPF is basically just like a dust filter on a hoover but instead catches carbon (smoke) particles as they pass through the exhaust meaning little or no smoke and lower emissions from the tailpipe.
The problem with these is that at regular intervals they need to re-generate which means on a steady motorway drive they will heat up almost to red hot and incinerate the built up carbon inside them, clever idea but as many dealers have found not everyone does regular motorway drives especially many old folk who just do short trips to the shops etc. and in this case the DPF cannot re-generate and becomes blocked with soot bringing on limp mode and forcing the owner to go back to the dealership to have the DPF manually re-generated which is causing headaches for the dealers, in worst case scenario the DPF may even need replaced usually costing over £1000!!
For this reason people need to be very careful who they choose to tune/re-map their car, if you have a DPF its vital that the job is done right or you could be in for a big repair bill if you permanently block your DPF.
If you don't have one then tuning is much easier and cheaper, the Value Kit used on the car tested here is fine for cars without DPF where extra fuelling is not an issue, on DPF cars we normally use lower settings or our multi-channel Premium kit which controls fuelling and increases boost pressure from the turbo to force more air through the engine which keeps the DPF clean.
There are alot of cheap tuning kits available on auction sites and most should be avoided as they just use resistors in a box causing over-fuelling constantly even at idle, this will give more power but long term it will most likely cause permanent engine damage and will make the engine run rough at idle.
All of our boxes for common rail engines are all fully digital using micro-processor controllers, these units are programmed with specific maps to each car and no adjustment screws inside so you can't turn them up to dangerous levels without knowing. We can map our box for smooth power delivery right through the rev range which you can see from the dyno chart, there will be no sudden harsh surges just smooth strong power delivery right to 4200 RPM where we reduce the power back to almost standard. Revving past this level will give no real benefit, its better to change gear and allow the diesel engine to perform at its best revs between 1900-3900 rpm.
Our boxes work, the results speak for themselves. Many thanks to those who have taken time to write reviews, this helps others make an informed choice. Our boxes may not be the cheapest available but we guarantee they will perform without problems and I am available here on the forum or by phone or email to answer any questions. I believe our customer service cannot be beaten.
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TMC Motorsport
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Graig, the TMC box plugs in between the common rail and ECU loom and as such I assume is an amplifier circuit only (TMC Daron -any more info here?). To smooth out the dips you would need a full remap. However this is more expensive on two accounts purchase and dyno time to set-up.
As more power comes in earlier the pick-up from low down is much improved which is what I wanted to fix. The kit was £115.00 Inc of VAT & delivery and the dyno cost was £50 for two runs. Having been out this morning for a blast round the local roads it feels like a different animal and as show in the chart has loads more power all over the rev range. A very good result for a small outlay
I can tell you its unlikely you will get a better graph than this even with a re-map! We also do re-mapping so I speak from experience.
Cheers
Sorry, but this isn't correct. It might be the case with a few of the Siemens ECU's and the odd other ECU, but in general you can alter quite a bit more with a re-map when knowing what to do.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I disagree with you, the most popular type of tuning box (and there are thousands on the market) connect to the common rail on BOSCH/DENSO/SIEMENS and DELPHI systems or to the injectors, they control fuelling and nothing else and achieve results. If you read my post I say that you can achieve results by only altering fuelling, I did not say that this is the only way to achieve results. There are other alterations that can be made but on many systems fuelling changes alone will give good results.
Cheers
You made the reference that on ECUs on cars without particle filter usually only fueling can be changed by re-mapping, which I refer to and this is not correct. More than correcting the fuel delivery can be done on most ECUs even with comparetively basic re-mapping software/hardware.
This is hardly a matter of opinion than facts.
This is hardly a matter of opinion than facts.
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I am not going to get into an argument over it, maybe its the way I had written the post, my point was that you can achieve more power by only altering fuelling, I didn't say that was the way its always done, I am well aware that more alterations are made in most re-maps but my point stands that you can get more power simply by altering fuelling and that is correct.
I have now altered the wording of my original post to make this clearer.
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Graig, the TMC box plugs in between the common rail and ECU loom and as such I assume is an amplifier circuit only (TMC Daron -any more info here?). To smooth out the dips you would need a full remap. However this is more expensive on two accounts purchase and dyno time to set-up.
As more power comes in earlier the pick-up from low down is much improved which is what I wanted to fix. The kit was £115.00 Inc of VAT & delivery and the dyno cost was £50 for two runs. Having been out this morning for a blast round the local roads it feels like a different animal and as show in the chart has loads more power all over the rev range. A very good result for a small outlay
lol i was saying lookin at the graph that was posted it has smoothed out your power delivery from the lower revs if you look the power doesnt go up then level out then go back down like it does on the STD run. so looks like its smoothed it out just using the TMC tuning box..
Mine has got a DPF as well.. im not sure im happy about just increasing the turbo pressure to creat more power. i thought you just increased the pressure in the common rail to increase power in the engine?
Anyway i will look into it more since i know there are things out there that will work with cars with a DPF.
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Hi Craig, the tuning kits for DPF cars connect to both the fuel rail and turbo and control both independently. This kit is larger in size and capable of controlling up to 5 different channels all indepently mapped all at the same time.
The Value Kit can be used but at reduced power levels so as not to create soot.
Cheers
UKDucatiman
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[FONT="]As far as I'm aware the 1.9 M-Jet 150T does not have a DPF? However I know the new 'green' 2.0 M-Jet engine uses one.[/FONT]
I took my bravo mjet to red dot during the summer, it made 159bhp before the remap! after i got 203bhp with 369lbs of torque! this cost me £250, its shame these tuning box's werent about then! i would of snapped one up! Im thinking of putting a front mounted intercooler and bigger turbo once the warrenty has run out this year!
o rite.. i think you told me before that i could not have one of these kits on my car since it was the new 2.0l MultiJet engine and u werent Sure if your kit would fit on my car..
UKDucatiman said:
yeh mine is the new "green" 2.0l multijet engine lol... so it has one.. and the DPF is causing me alot of bother at the moment! ha
MJet1986 said:
i like the sound of this ha... Mines ment to be 165bhp standard so id be very happy if it was that or even a little bit more to begin with i bet you were pretty impressed when you found that out as well.. if i was to get over 200bhp from my engine from a remap i would be very happy.. that sounds like a decent price as well pretty cheap in my opinion...
how did it feel to drive afterwards? and what happened to your fuel economy? stay the same or go up/down slightly?
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Hi Craig, I have not tested the Value Kit on this engine but previous experience with other DPF cars has shown that most DPF cars will generally only run without DPF problems when the boost pressure is increased too. This is where we use the multi-channel Premium kit, I know its alot more expensive but its also alot more complex and capable of controlling up to 5 signals at once. Not sure if I have mentioned before but this kit can be re-used if you change you car even to another brand, you will likely need a new cable as the connectors may be different and also the settings will need re-programmed but the control unit is the same used on both petrol and diesel engines its just programmed with specific parameters. The Value kit may work but would have to be reduced in power to avoid clogging the DPF and may not give enough of a gain.
I would be a little concerned that you are having DPF problems on the car before tuning, its likely that this will only worsen after tuning as tuning increases fuelling, its most likely that you are not doing enough motorway driving to allow the DPF to regenerate or you may have a fault in the DPF, either way you would be better to get this sorted out before considering any form of tuning.
Cheers
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thats really funny reply but to no fault of yours.. i only do motorway driving.. i drive 154miles every weekend twice non stop as well. Its deffernetly a DPF issue its in the garage as we speak but they are a bunch of monkeys and have no idea what there doing and are expecting the computer to tell them there is a issue when it just wont.. they have no fault finding ability at all but thats another story..
What i ment was the better kit i would pay the extra money for all the sensors if i thought i was going to get a better out put and im more about control rather then just sticking more fuel in the engine to make it go faster.. This was the kit im sure you mentioned to me wouldnt yet work on my engine.. but reading your post im guessin you now supply the better kit for the 2.0l mulitjet engine..
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I believe the factory tested one of the new models last week, let me check tomorrow and confirm for you. Thats really strange with the DPF, with your driving it should perform perfectly, its usually the older folk just running to the shops and back that have the problems with them.
Maybe you have EGR problems. Alot of the garages rely too much on the computers rather than using knowledge, they seem to just keep changing parts until it works again. You also may just have a bad DPF that needs replaced.
Either way the last thing you want to do is tune it when its not running right, wait until they have it sorted before attempting to tune it, otherwise you'll just give them an excuse to blame it on the tuning!
I'll let you know tomorrow if the multi-channel is fully tested on the 2.0.
Cheers
aye i was going to anyway... last thing i want is for them to say the tuning box is the problem.. just to confirm mine is the 2.0l multijet Diesel 165bhp..
this is great news if they have been testing it... its just not listed on your site just yet.. but yeh let me know cheers
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hi mate, im very happy with the car, the guy who remapped was a pal hence the price being fairly cheap, im sure its ment to be around 300-350
he was pretty certain he could get mine upto around 220bhp but there could be possibilties that my clutch would slip or cause problems so i settled with the other figure, also there would be a fair amount of smoke lol. Around town mine has a slightly lower mpg figure but i think it maybe down to its boosting earlier at lower speeds ?? but on a long run down the motorway im getting figures of 63-64mpg at around 80-85mph which is a major improvement!! before id be likely to get 56-57mpg. I love it now and it pulls like a train!! I think the car really performs best on the motorway
Hows yours for smoke ?? do u get the odd puff when flooring it ?? any improvements on mpg??
Oh yeh just noticed you have 2.0mjet, mines 1.9mjet!! u took a gamble getting a tunning box !! watch out for DPF problems, this is one of the reasons why i went for the 1.9mjet over the 2.0mjet, this was all explained to me when i asked about remapping the bravo before i brought one, Red dot advise me on this.. hope all goes well for you!!
hi mate, im very happy with the car, the guy who remapped was a pal hence the price being fairly cheap, im sure its ment to be around 300-350
he was pretty certain he could get mine upto around 220bhp but there could be possibilties that my clutch would slip or cause problems so i settled with the other figure, also there would be a fair amount of smoke lol. Around town mine has a slightly lower mpg figure but i think it maybe down to its boosting earlier at lower speeds ?? but on a long run down the motorway im getting figures of 63-64mpg at around 80-85mph which is a major improvement!! before id be likely to get 56-57mpg. I love it now and it pulls like a train!! I think the car really performs best on the motorway
Hows yours for smoke ?? do u get the odd puff when flooring it ?? any improvements on mpg??
Oh yeh just noticed you have 2.0mjet, mines 1.9mjet!! u took a gamble getting a tunning box !! watch out for DPF problems, this is one of the reasons why i went for the 1.9mjet over the 2.0mjet, this was all explained to me when i asked about remapping the bravo before i brought one, Red dot advise me on this.. hope all goes well for you!!
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Well either mine is an early 1.9 multijet 150 with a DPF - or examiner is lying when it's resetting the DPF!
What does a DPF physically look like - and does the non-DPF exhaust have a dummy box in it's place?
What does a DPF physically look like - and does the non-DPF exhaust have a dummy box in it's place?