Just wondering what made you go for the eco model? Coming from a 100HP I take it running costs are not the biggest factor when purchasing a car and going from a small car with a quite powerful petrol engine (at least for a car that size) to a large car with a low(er) powered Diesel engine is confusing me?
General thinking of buying a bravo
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Just wondering what made you go for the eco model? Coming from a 100HP I take it running costs are not the biggest factor when purchasing a car and going from a small car with a quite powerful petrol engine (at least for a car that size) to a large car with a low(er) powered Diesel engine is confusing me?
Multijet/JTD or whatever is a brand-new technology, compared to petrol. It's in its baby years. I am sure you know when common rail was introduced. The petrol's been around for ages
Diesel's probably do not break often, but they cost more to fix. And being heavier is a plus because...?Multijet is only a form of fuel injection. And Rudolf Diesel fell off the back of a ferry in 1913, after having designed his engine in the 1880s and 90s, so his invention is hardly novel.
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I'm doing allot of driving these days so running costs and comfort are very high on the list. The eco has longer gears so is very quiet on the motorway. It's also a much bigger and better looking car. The 100HP is very good spec for the money, but isn't comfortable enough with the miles I'm doing now, and costs too much to run.. and the other half hates it
As for performance, the 100HP would probably beat it around the twisties and a second or so to 60mph, but I bet the torque of the diesel gives superior pull from say 40>60 for overtaking. It certainly didn't feel too slow on my test drive.
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Today's diesel has nothing to do with the original concept except the main principle, of course. Petrols, on the other hand, haven't changed much since they first appeared. They still have the same simple construction and way of work. And simple is reliable. I know petrols (more than one, that is), which have passed the million kilometers border, so I don't get it what's so special about a diesel, which is over 100k miles...
Most modern petrols in the UK are feeling tired by the 100,000 miles mark. I'm not saying they're bust by 100,000miles however performance is lower, efficiency is lower.
Petrols have changed a huge amount with the change from carbs to fuel injection; coils and HTs to individual coils on plugs; 8valve to 16valve; variable valve timing.. need I go on?
The diesel design is simpler. JTD has been around 10 years now, and multijet is just an improvement on JTD. The engine still uses compression to ignite a diesel oil mix. No spark plugs or coils to deteriorate. Diesels only recently have started to include some of the tech that is used on petrols with twin cams, multi valves, and VVT.
No engines are simple now - but by the simple difference that petrol is a solvent, and diesel is a lubricant, a diesel engine will last longer at close to original performance/efficiency than a comparable performance petrol.
Petrols have changed a huge amount with the change from carbs to fuel injection; coils and HTs to individual coils on plugs; 8valve to 16valve; variable valve timing.. need I go on?
The diesel design is simpler. JTD has been around 10 years now, and multijet is just an improvement on JTD. The engine still uses compression to ignite a diesel oil mix. No spark plugs or coils to deteriorate. Diesels only recently have started to include some of the tech that is used on petrols with twin cams, multi valves, and VVT.
No engines are simple now - but by the simple difference that petrol is a solvent, and diesel is a lubricant, a diesel engine will last longer at close to original performance/efficiency than a comparable performance petrol.
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The weak spot, as with petrols, can be the cambelts. Chains are lass likely to snap and wreck the engine, which is why the 1.3 Diesel always appeals to me; it has a design life of 250,000km without major work.
The weak spot, as with petrols, can be the cambelts. Chains are lass likely to snap and wreck the engine, which is why the 1.3 Diesel always appeals to me; it has a design life of 250,000km without major work.
The 1.9 multijet 150 has a cambelt life of 96,000 miles.
Yeah like I'll be letting it get to half of that before it gets changed!
Yeah like I'll be letting it get to half of that before it gets changed!
Get the car services correctly, change the oil and filter yourself often enough and do all needed maintenance and I recon a 10/120k year old petrol will hold it's power as much as a 10/120k year old diesel.
It's an old wifes myth, it's never been proven.
Get a non-interferance engine? Follow the service spec to the dot and doubt you'll ever have to deal with a cambelt issue.
A petrol is a drivers car, a diesel is for a workhorse.
How many non-interference engines are there? Pretty much the whole Fiat range right now are interference engines. Following service spec doesn't guarantee cambelt safety - seen lots of Alfas fail to get over 60k with their 72k belt change on the books.
Also plenty of times I've seen cars RR'd and they've been missing plenty of ponies.
Don't Fiat now recommend five year or 50,000 mile cambelt changes for the JTDs?
I had mine done at just over 50,000 anyway, just in case.
I had mine done at just over 50,000 anyway, just in case.
72,000 miles for JTDs.
96,000 miles for the multijet 1.9
I'll be getting mine changed around 50,000 miles.
96,000 miles for the multijet 1.9
I'll be getting mine changed around 50,000 miles.
Each to his own, this will go on forever so I'm gonna leave it.
Can't believe anyone would not buy a petrol engine with X amount of miles though, especially as higher milage means you can usually get a much better deal because of the "OMGZ OVA 60K IT'LL BLOW UP!!!111!!11ONE", I know of a 2001 BMW 530i M Sport thats ticked over 160k without fault and the owner is having to pay out the same as he was 5 years ago in just your standard services, tyres and what not. The X30i engine is by no means simple but it does show if treated correctly theres no reason why a petrol engine can't do mega mileage.
Typical cars though - especially ones in the Fiat price range (Renault/Ford/Vauxhall), are usually knackered because they don't get used for long motorway miles. People buy petrols for driving to town for shopping, going to pick up the kids, and driving to work.
Most motorway mile eaters are diesels, as over 30k a year you can save loads on fuel. That's why there are so many mondeo/vectra/volvo diesels with astronimical mileage but still sweet as a nut.
Most motorway mile eaters are diesels, as over 30k a year you can save loads on fuel. That's why there are so many mondeo/vectra/volvo diesels with astronimical mileage but still sweet as a nut.
