Technical The one and only Dualogic failure thread

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Technical The one and only Dualogic failure thread

Hi everyone, I recently bought a 2012 500 lounge 1.2 Dualogic for my daughter and it has started to randomly change into Neutral.....
Reading through this excellent thread, it seems that a new "robot" unit is the only real long-term fix, and I am happy to do that.

I live in Hertfordshire, so was just wondering if there are any reputable garages that you can recommend that are closer to me than CD Motors, to carry out this work? - thanks!
 
Hi. I have a Lancia Musa 2006 1.3 diesel automatic. Sometimes gives me an error gearbox failed for 2 sec and then disappear. This message always comes when is 2d gear. It pops up for 3-4 sec and then disappear. Car change gears normal. Only when message pops up won't go from 2nd to 3nd. Only for this 2 sec. The obd error is P1742.
After some days watching the problem i see that message pops up when car is in 2nd gear and wont go to 3d until message disappear. Then it works fine. Same when car is in 2nd and going to 1st.

Also sometimes when i stop and car goes to 1st gear i hear some click click click like car is trying to change gear i think. If i press gas car is moving fine. Also if i move the car 1 meter clicks stops. Check this video for what i say about clicks.
See this video for waht i mean


Can you help please. Thanks in advanced.

Messaged you some contact info for Dual logic experts you can consult with, best of luck!
 
Tried them, unfortunately, he doesn't work on CFC308's

For spares, check at these people - they have a good (online) rep (and they send abroad) was to buy from them at some point but didn't need to after all:


They also do refurbishment
 
For spares, check at these people - they have a good (online) rep (and they send abroad) was to buy from them at some point but didn't need to after all:


They also do refurbishment
Thanks for the link, I managed to get all the seals from a local hydraulic specialist for £22 to recondition the CFC308 "robot" all sorted now.
 
Moderators Note:

I've started this thread to put all the currently active dualogic failure posts into one place.

The story begins here...


Hi All

Newbie here!....

I purchased my Fiat 500 dualogic new in 2010.....roll forward nearly 5 yrs & apart from a couple of minor niggles I find myself with the prospect of a new gearbox needed:mad:

Over the past month my car had developed the tendamcy to hate changing into reverse, flinging itself into neutral whenever it felt like, including a terrifying incident at speed when suddenly braking :(:(:( Driving in auto or manual mode did not seem to make a difference...

Off it went to dealer who after a few days of diagnostics & road tests cleared the ECU memory & other stuff (apologies as I am no means converse in the ways of cars!:confused:) ......fast forward & after 2 days it all started happening again...

Back to dealers & now they've stated it needs a new gearbox!!.....at the cost of.........£1300!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:

They suggested I rang Fiat Customer Care which I did today & they have opened a "complaint case" for which I have a ref number & one of their team will contact me in a couple of days....

Is there anything else I can do!?!....

Ps.....car has only 22,000 on clock & FSH

Many thanks for reading!

Sarah :)
I have been having issues with my cars dualogic. I didn’t want to pay dealer prices appox$6000 Australian to replace the dualogic in a 2013 car.

My car would not engage gears, message said check hand book.

Though when it was drivable, it would shudder, and drop into neutral. It was really unsafe on main roads. Eventually it just stopped wouldn’t engage gears.

I though that truly the dualogic can’t be this complex to repair.

So I bit the bullet went to a local wreckers and bought a secondhand unit. I benchtested it and there was fluid leaking out of the solenoids, and as well into the front shaft position sensor.

I though there’s no harm in dismantling it. After disassembly I identified that numerous I rings had shrunk on the solenoids and on other places where the seals should seal.

I did notice that at the front of the dualogic unit there is two hoses which connect to the selespeed reservoir bottle, one of these is a weep hose that comes from the bottom half of the dualogic unit.

This was obvious as there was a lot of dried up oil residue on the outside of the unit.

Please note I have great mechanical skills though not so much with hydraulics

I did take out the horizontal position pistons, and the seals. were heavily deteriorated.

I figured that these were leaking along with other o rings, hence that the hydraulic fluid pressure is bypassing o rings and not going to the correct piston. Meaning that the pressure flow of the fluid is influencing another solenoid that should be closed rd or open depending on gear.

This I figured was causing juddering due to incorrect positions because the hydraulic pressure is back flowing ti where it should not be going to, causing gear change issues, dropping out of gear, due to the appropriate internal channel way to be starved of hydraulic pressure or over pressure due to back flow.

This causes the sensors to fault, and trip and throw codes.

I totally dismantled the dualogic and took all the o rings out of the unit, including taking out the clutch piston and sleeve.

I then went to my local industrial o ring shop and had matched up all new o rings and piston seals. The two horizontal shaft position piston seals are an uncommon size and I had to get these custom made.

All up for about $100. Aud I got all the o rings.

I then fitted all the rings to their correct positions, and re-assembled the unit.

Lubing the rings up with Penrite ldas fluid.

I reassembled the unit, and then bench tested it, I tested the pump, it rand for about ten seconds and stopped, the unit retained pressure.

I then tested the solenoids and they all clicked.

I observed the unit for a couple of days looking for oil seepage there was none.

As I didn’t have the fiat software to recalibrate the installation of the dualogic to the gearbox I took it to a local Alfa Fiat workshop as I doubt a genuine service centre would be willing to fit a customer reconditioned dualogic.

The mechanics were awesome, and reinstalled my rebuilt unit, re calibrated it and did a few other jobs on the car, total was about $1900 for the whole job including the secondhand old dualogic and the o rings.

Now the car drives I would say better than new, the gear changes are as smooth as silk, it doesn’t just bang into gear as it did previously.

I tested the pressure and after sitting overnight once the drivers door is opened the pump only runs for about ten seconds to prime up.

I really think that a large majority of issues in the dualogic is due to old and dry o rings not holding pressure.

If anyone in Melbourne or Australia needs one rebuilt let me know. I have a spare I can change over.
 
I have been having issues with my cars dualogic. I didn’t want to pay dealer prices appox$6000 Australian to replace the dualogic in a 2013 car.

My car would not engage gears, message said check hand book.

Though when it was drivable, it would shudder, and drop into neutral. It was really unsafe on main roads. Eventually it just stopped wouldn’t engage gears.

I though that truly the dualogic can’t be this complex to repair.

So I bit the bullet went to a local wreckers and bought a secondhand unit. I benchtested it and there was fluid leaking out of the solenoids, and as well into the front shaft position sensor.

I though there’s no harm in dismantling it. After disassembly I identified that numerous I rings had shrunk on the solenoids and on other places where the seals should seal.

I did notice that at the front of the dualogic unit there is two hoses which connect to the selespeed reservoir bottle, one of these is a weep hose that comes from the bottom half of the dualogic unit.

This was obvious as there was a lot of dried up oil residue on the outside of the unit.

Please note I have great mechanical skills though not so much with hydraulics

I did take out the horizontal position pistons, and the seals. were heavily deteriorated.

I figured that these were leaking along with other o rings, hence that the hydraulic fluid pressure is bypassing o rings and not going to the correct piston. Meaning that the pressure flow of the fluid is influencing another solenoid that should be closed rd or open depending on gear.

This I figured was causing juddering due to incorrect positions because the hydraulic pressure is back flowing ti where it should not be going to, causing gear change issues, dropping out of gear, due to the appropriate internal channel way to be starved of hydraulic pressure or over pressure due to back flow.

This causes the sensors to fault, and trip and throw codes.

I totally dismantled the dualogic and took all the o rings out of the unit, including taking out the clutch piston and sleeve.

I then went to my local industrial o ring shop and had matched up all new o rings and piston seals. The two horizontal shaft position piston seals are an uncommon size and I had to get these custom made.

All up for about $100. Aud I got all the o rings.

I then fitted all the rings to their correct positions, and re-assembled the unit.

Lubing the rings up with Penrite ldas fluid.

I reassembled the unit, and then bench tested it, I tested the pump, it rand for about ten seconds and stopped, the unit retained pressure.

I then tested the solenoids and they all clicked.

I observed the unit for a couple of days looking for oil seepage there was none.

As I didn’t have the fiat software to recalibrate the installation of the dualogic to the gearbox I took it to a local Alfa Fiat workshop as I doubt a genuine service centre would be willing to fit a customer reconditioned dualogic.

The mechanics were awesome, and reinstalled my rebuilt unit, re calibrated it and did a few other jobs on the car, total was about $1900 for the whole job including the secondhand old dualogic and the o rings.

Now the car drives I would say better than new, the gear changes are as smooth as silk, it doesn’t just bang into gear as it did previously.

I tested the pressure and after sitting overnight once the drivers door is opened the pump only runs for about ten seconds to prime up.

I really think that a large majority of issues in the dualogic is due to old and dry o rings not holding pressure.

If anyone in Melbourne or Australia needs one rebuilt let me know. I have a spare I can change over.
Thats a good job well done and a great write up for the community!
 
Thats a good job well done and a great write up for the community!
You’re welcome. I really think that the o rings are the real issue on these units. Though they do put up with a lot of heat and pressure, sink guess they have a limited life.

It would be great if fiat bought down the prices or at least offered a rebuild exchange service for a lower price.
 
You’re welcome. I really think that the o rings are the real issue on these units. Though they do put up with a lot of heat and pressure, sink guess they have a limited life.

It would be great if fiat bought down the prices or at least offered a rebuild exchange service for a lower price.
Maybe in a parallel universe where fiat give a :poop: about customer service! not our one though!:ROFLMAO:
 
Maybe in a parallel universe where fiat give a :poop: about customer service! not our one though!:ROFLMAO:
Lol agreed, This is where we need to stick it up them, and find alternatives. Fun days like counterfeiting dvd’s.

They’ll soon realise when it affects their bottom line.

I am planning to recondition the selespeed that came off the car in the next few days.

I’ll have to do a photo essay step bf step to help people.
 
Lol agreed, This is where we need to stick it up them, and find alternatives. Fun days like counterfeiting dvd’s.

They’ll soon realise when it affects their bottom line.

I am planning to recondition the selespeed that came off the car in the next few days.

I’ll have to do a photo essay step bf step to help people.
The step by step would be fab
 
With a list of sizes of ring required etc this would be an amazingly helpful guide for people.
I was thinking this would be ideal to help people out as well.

Silly me I lost the invoice from the supplier. I looked everywhere trying to find it.

I’ll have to hunt around again otherwise I’ll have to go back in and get the sizes again.

I’ll let you all know.
 
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