Thank you Fiat, for the 1.3 Multijet

[oilrag]

Yes, Thank you Fiat for the 1.3 Multijet diesel, the best diesel engine I have owned.

1) No service items at all other than filters (and oil changes) for a stated 150,000 mile period.

2) No cambelt. So no replacement cost and no concerns over breaking between change intervals. ( read peace of mind)

3) Waterpump driven by the auxilliary belt.

4) Oil filter design means its possible to change it standing in front of the car and not grovelling in the grit on the drive. ( engine oil changed by suction standing)

5) Torque is at maximum at low engine revs due to a 4 cylinder engine design and accordingly there is a flat torque curve across a usable rev range.

( compare and contrast with the VW 3 cylinder 1.4 belt drive diesel where there is no usable torque until 2,300 revs ( Multijet 1,750) and torque falls away sooner with the VW.)

6) Hydraulic tappets

7) Smoothness and driveability

8) versatility, compact design, able to be fitted in a wide range of vehicles.

10) Low Fuel consumption, In my 05 Punto van has achieved 78.9 MPG keeping to under 60MPH and driving for economy. Typically gets 63/65MPG on an average mixed run and never less than 60MPG at an indicated 78MPH.

10) Low purchase cost, (most evident when this Fiat/GM engine is bought in a Fiat vehicle)

11) 3 year warranty, but with 2 years being a full manufactures warranty (when compared with many other competitors such as Ford or Vauxhall with 1 year).


Conclusion, A fantastic engine and coupled with galvanising on the vehicles, exellent value.

Regards

 

[T14086]

Amen

 

[Hellcat]

If I did a similar thread for the 2.4JTD it would simply be a video of the Marea vanishing up a steep hill...

Plus that 5 pot soundtrack... mmmm

 

[MiG]

If I did a similar thread for the 2.4JTD it would simply be a video of the Marea vanishing up a steep hill...

Plus that 5 pot soundtrack... mmmm

There are many Petrol engines, that with a bit of tunage, blow diesel's torque out of the water..

See, your 2.4JTD engine, has 304Nm of Torque.
Saabs 2.3T Engine Used in the Aero has 350Nm of Torque.

Theres probably a few more, but when people go on about the Torque of diesels, i laugh...

 

[Hellcat]

There are many Petrol engines, that with a bit of tunage, blow diesel's torque out of the water..

See, your 2.4JTD engine, has 304Nm of Torque.
Saabs 2.3T Engine Used in the Aero has 350Nm of Torque.

Theres probably a few more, but when people go on about the Torque of diesels, i laugh...

23mpg vs nearly 50... The last laugh is still mine.

 

[T14086]

Lol ...

 

[Helz]

23mpg vs nearly 50... The last laugh is still mine.

Can you have a party in the boot of a Saab? :chin:

 

[Hellcat]

Can you have a party in the boot of a Saab? :chin:

Good point

Plus everyone knows Saab owners are conceited They wouldn't know how to have a party

 

[oilrag]

Some further thoughts on the 1.3 Multijet Diesel

( trying to get the moderators back on topic)

With reference to some of my ageing friends who will not touch anything under a modern cars bonnet, as its now "all too complicated".

( Failing to seperate *regular servicing* from faults and diagnostics)

and yet... the same friends would ( like me) have been DIY servicing cars on their drives in the 60`s. Doing ignition timing with a rod on the piston crown to find TDC, setting up points, adjusting tappets, sometimes taking the camshaft out to re shim, et al.
( I could put 2,000 more words here but will spare you)

Unless the examiner is needed, the 1.3 Multijet is a DIY owners dream compared with the past and with more relevance, other contemporary engines.

( What other engine will get to 150,000 miles with just oil and filter changes?)

I`m writing this topic to give some appreciation back to Fiat, for the engine, after all, we knock things enough. Credit where its due........

NB,
( Its 7.40am, T will be on his way to work, there is now 12 hours 20 minutes for the DIY promotion of this Fiat engine to propogate onto the usenet LOL)

 

[T14086]

NB,
( Its 7.40am, T will be on his way to work, there is now 12 hours 20 minutes for the DIY promotion of this Fiat engine to propogate onto the usenet LOL)

I'm off today (caught out again eh!) & watching you all:devil:

 

[oilrag]

I'm off today

As if I believe that would summon you up

Its surely the mention of DIY rubbing the side of the lamp?

Its a great proposition for DIY though, the 1.3 Multijet, don`t you agree:devil:

 

[T14086]

I agree totally,bar the odd overboost sensor we get little if any problems with the engine

 

[Renegade_8]

Good point

Plus everyone knows Saab owners are conceited They wouldn't know how to have a party

And since they are all horse vets on call they can never have a drink.

 

[T14086]

And the saab 95 (or was it 93) was most recovred car by AA last year.

 

[faster4_tec]

pah, the low boost saabs aren't great, but the top models have always been solid.

and a 9-5 hot aero estate is bout same size as a marea, boots maybe a little squarer if anything, but doesn't have the fold down bit as it already level. the saab/gm diesel engines in the saabs are lame to say the least. most owners are dentists, vets, and general boredom. but theres plenty who get them remapped, dropped, and have extra bits of metal to keep the torque steer at bay.


back on topic..

the 1.3 jtd is a gem of an engine, they still have the odd dodgy sensor, but then what engine (anybodies) doesn't have the odd duff one?
thought vw did a 4cyl 1.4tdi in the lupo/polo? or is the 3cyl a new engine?

the french used to be the market leader with their diesel engines, but in 1999 when the new breed of fiat jtd's came out, it was duly noted by quite a few magazines, and even now even FORD dealers can relate to the modern diesel revolution starting from 1999, with the fiat/alfa (mainly alfa that ppl knew about) engines.

and 78mpg that is a dream I spend quite a lot of time just bumbling along behind a line of traffic at about 48-52mph, and in most cars they'll only manage 40-48 at that speed (the saab manages 38 at best).

 

[oilrag]

thought vw did a 4cyl 1.4tdi in the lupo/polo? or is the 3cyl a new engine?

I had a new Lupo TDI a few years back, its a 3 cylinder job. A drag to drive with the torque coming in so high, to say nothing of the lollapy suspension.

Steering rack failure, steering wheel then on crooked, damaged clock spring following that. Sills bent doing rack.
Bonnet release fell onto my foot driving from the dealers, new.

A guy in parts told me to "use ordinary multigrade" when I went to buy the correct PD oil.
There was more than that, but its 5 years ago, I do remember that whenever it went to the dealer it had a new problem caused by fixing the first.
And with the rack, 3 follow on issues.

In the end I got rid of it before they totally wrecked it.

In case anyone started this post halfway down, thats a `quality` Volkswagen

 

[faster4_tec]

so you've met a vw dealer that couldn't give a toss aswell, seems there are too many of that vareity.

and sometimes it DOES happen with cars, you go to replace a suspension bush and end up replacing half the assembly as bolts keep rounding/cracking/shearing, and componants that have to be removed to get at teh problem componant sometimes fall apart.

but then there is just complete lack of care like when some tyre changing tosspot puts grease and oil all over your brand new car seats, then shrugs their shoulders (did actually get a substantial amount of money out of them for that, more than the new seats cost, tossers).


anyway back ontopic, and partly because of this topic went and testdrove another mk2b punto with the 1.3 jtd, and damn, I nearly bought it* on a drive like I did today (2.5hours to pick my bro up from some god forsaken town thru average A road 45mpg traffic) it would have managed over 65mpg, wheras my less powerd 1.2 petrol actually managed just 42.
lame.
I'm also eyeing up the 1.9jtd's in the mk2 (hate it hate it hate it, but love the enginet so much and the lower runing costs) on ebay for £1000-1500











*If I was actually in positive numbers I might think about it, but £ is dire at the mo.

 

[FuzzyPanda]

As well as being a great performer and economical this engine is also fantastic for something else - CO2 output. You can shove your hybrids up your arse, few cars can come close to a car with this engine (especially lighter models like the Panda) in real world driving.

I have been wondering how possible a 1.3 MJTD Hybrid would be. If we're already at 114 g/km (Panda) then chucking in some batteries and motors would surely knock it under 100, thereby making it tax (or is it just congestion charge?) exempt in the UK.

 

[kuzman86]

i have been pleasantly startling whith 1.3 multijet in punto with chip tuning it easily beat any car in that class.
So my next choice is fiat punto 1.3 multijet:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:

 

[jinxbunny]

Nice to hear your comments on DIY on the Multijet. All sounds great, but the trouble is that there is no DIY manual available for the New Panda yet. I want to just change the oil/filter but am not sure how to get the old filter out without some instruction. I don't want to force or break something! Expected it to be the usual screw in type, but now realise that it is a cartridge. I have the filter and 4 litres of 5w40 fully synthetic oil. All I need now is a little knowledge! Can you help please?