Technical Rattling noise when clutch is down

[alijahh]

When I press the clutch pedal a loud rattling noise comes from the engine. I've been told it's not the clutch and that they think teeth are missing from the gearbox :dunno:

Is this the likely problem? Also what's the fix for this or do I need a whole new gearbox?

 

[fingers99]

Whoever told you that?

To my mind it's classic thrust release bearing noise. I'm assuming you still hear it in neutral, clutch pedal down?

 

[alijahh]

Yhh it still makes a noise then, is it definitely not the gearbox or will I not know until I open it all up?

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

If and actual rattling then check gearbox oil level (and leaks if low), had this on a Classic Panda, CV joint has split and lost all the gearbox oil.

 

[fingers99]

Certainly worth checking the gearbox oil level (although Puntos don't tend to loose it in quite such a dramatic fashion as the olde Pandas!).

Generally, though, if noise goes away with the clutch up, in neutral, engine running, it's the clutch thrust bearing (fit new 3 part clutch kit).

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Certainly worth checking the gearbox oil level (although Puntos don't tend to loose it in quite such a dramatic fashion as the olde Pandas!).

Generally, though, if noise goes away with the clutch up, in neutral, engine running, it's the clutch thrust bearing (fit new 3 part clutch kit).

Normally I'd agree, but OP states rattling, thrust bearing is more a rubbing groan from experience.

 

[fingers99]

Depends on how bad the damage to the "fingers" etc. is.


But descriptions are always difficult.

 

[s and b]

could be timing belt adjuster
water pump
clutch release bearing
clutch diaphragm
gearbox first motion shaft
diff drop
etc

cant be diagnosed via tinternet
put your google glasses on and do us a real life download via zorb

 

[fingers99]

Or get an engine stethoscope (less than a tenner) and eliminate everything else.

 

[s and b]

Or get an engine stethoscope (less than a tenner) and eliminate everything else.

or a 12 bore
that eliminates lots too

 

[fingers99]

But not as much as a 15" gun salvaged from a battlecruiser!

 

[jon1612]

When I press the clutch pedal a loud rattling noise comes from the engine. I've been told it's not the clutch and that they think teeth are missing from the gearbox :dunno:

Is this the likely problem? Also what's the fix for this or do I need a whole new gearbox?

if its rattleing when clutch pressed is more likely to be torque / tension springs had it a few times, they are the 4 springs in the picture.
when you press peddle in the pressure plate releases the friction plate so it can spin free.
the centre hub which sits on the gearbox input shaft is not actualy connected to the friction plate but is loose in the middle the springs are mounted loose between the friction disc and centre hub when new they are long enough to press between both all the time but over time the forces on them shorten them causing them to rattle round in thier holders, the reason they dont rattle when your driving is because they are held by the drag from the gearbox . if you took the springs out you would lose all drive as the hub would rotate freely in the friction plate.
the purpose of the prings is to compress slightly when abusive clutch operations occur other wise the hub would shatter or strip input shaft, sort of shock absorbers for your clutch
only cure is new clutch

 

[alijahh]

Really hoping it's a new clutch I need, I'll probably get rid of the car if it's the gearbox
I've heard it's the clutch release bearing which is cheap to fix or its the gearbox bearings to which I was quoted £650 for a reconditioned clutch!

Got it booked in to get stripped Wednesday so fingers crossed

 

[fingers99]

Dear God, it'd have to be a damn good reconditioned box for that.

Both are easy enough DIY. No brain surgery involved, just a little hard graft.

 

[jon1612]

Really hoping it's a new clutch I need, I'll probably get rid of the car if it's the gearbox
I've heard it's the clutch release bearing which is cheap to fix or its the gearbox bearings to which I was quoted £650 for a reconditioned clutch!

Got it booked in to get stripped Wednesday so fingers crossed

someone is seriously trying to rip you off
best clutch to fit is a LUK they are the only ones that work properly in fiats, I know have fitted hundreds, cheaper ones drag and judder or dont clear at all.
you should be looking at about £200 - £250 fitted brand new clutch from independant garage, if you cant find one try a gearbox reconditioners that do fitting when they are quiet they will happily do a clutch fitting as they do them all day long we used to do a panda / punto in a couple of hours, ( fastest was a micra / sunny 20 mins slowest was peugeot 405 with torque tube, rear axle dropped 4 hours)
hope this helps
new LUK clutch will cost you about £105 + fitting

 

[fingers99]

My guess is he means gearbox.

But I've never had any trouble with Valeo/Sachs (which are the OE ones). Around £50, the clutch jockeys here do them in an hour and a half for about £110.

 

[alijahh]

someone is seriously trying to rip you off
best clutch to fit is a LUK they are the only ones that work properly in fiats, I know have fitted hundreds, cheaper ones drag and judder or dont clear at all.
you should be looking at about £200 - £250 fitted brand new clutch from independant garage, if you cant find one try a gearbox reconditioners that do fitting when they are quiet they will happily do a clutch fitting as they do them all day long we used to do a panda / punto in a couple of hours, ( fastest was a micra / sunny 20 mins slowest was peugeot 405 with torque tube, rear axle dropped 4 hours)
hope this helps
new LUK clutch will cost you about £105 + fitting

Sorry I meant reconditioned gearbox lol, that's why I'm hoping its the clutch

 

[jon1612]

My guess is he means gearbox.

But I've never had any trouble with Valeo/Sachs (which are the OE ones). Around £50, the clutch jockeys here do them in an hour and a half for about £110.

I like Valeo ones, but too many recon ones being passed off as new, dont accept anything in a plain white box
think your spot on with the fitting price :worship::worship:

 

[alijahh]

My guess is he means gearbox.

But I've never had any trouble with Valeo/Sachs (which are the OE ones). Around £50, the clutch jockeys here do them in an hour and a half for about £110.

How much do you think I should be paying for a gearbox if that's the problem?

 

[fingers99]

People's experience/luck differs.

You could probably pick up one from a scrappy with a guarantee for less than £200. Genuinely reconditioned ones will cost more, but there are many "reconditioned" ones that are just ones from scrappies pressure washed.

But my guess, it ain't the gearbox.