Tuning Parts from Abarth 500.

[Graf]

Hi all,
I have an option to buy some parts that were taken off from 500 Abarth:
IHI VL38 turbo with TMC's wastegate.
TMC downpipe.
Do you think/know if these parts fit the Bravo?

Thanks

 

[Crispy boss]

they look identical yep.

 

[RobW]

ask TMC?

 

[Crispy boss]

i would buy these bits if i were in the UK

 

[Graf]

Got an answer from a workshop from Greece after I found this link:
http://www.etuners.gr/en/?s=13&t=408

Hi,

You can actually install the bigger turbo without fear for your engine.
The Bravo in the article was a 155hp version, but the engine internals on the 120hp version
are the same, too. Only main difference is on the camshafts (milder) and the injectors being a bit smaller.
A 4 bar FPR should solve this problem. We have done this conversion before and it worked very well.

Best regards,
Stelios.

I just got one unanswered question:
I got a Dualogic gearbox, I couldn't find max torque for it.
I don't know if it is based on M32 gearbox.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

If you've the Dualogic gearbox I defo wouldn't be considering this unless you want a world of pain!

 

[KHALED25]

If you've the Dualogic gearbox I defo wouldn't be considering this unless you want a world of pain!

+1. The dualogic has a max. torque rating only slightly higher than the engine's torque. Dont remember the exact number though.

 

[LeighJet150]

If you have a dual-logic, you will certainly be running a risk of a hefty 2k+ repiar bill.

Depends if you think its worth it

 

[Graf]

Thanks for your responses.
Currently I'm running my Bravo over a year with upsolte remap.
I haven't checked it in dyno but is suppose to be 148HP/250nm (25Kgm).

Still Happy

 

[Graf]

Got the parts.
Got 3 down pipes: the original (is it the same past that comes in Bravo?), TMC de-cat and the third is unknown brand.
Got the original Abarth fuel injectors.
And of-course IHI VL38 turbo with TMC wastegate.
I'm looking for the right workshop to assemble these parts.

 

[Graf]

Hi All,
I've founded the right workshop for this job.
My next question is:
After the work is done, My Bravo will have the same parts as Abarth 500:

1. ECU
2. Engine
3. IHI VL38 turbo
4. Abarth downpipe
5. Fuel injectors
6. Other Abarth 500 pipes

Regarding the remap, does it mean I need an Abarth 500 remap or a custom one?

Thanks.

 

[aurick86]

Get a custom rolling rod (dyno) tune.
-It's safer
-will get you more that the 135HP of the Abarth
-You will see what you pay for (dyno before, while tuning, after)

Oh, an tune i with the kind of petrol you will be using daily (95/98/etc octane).
If you tune it with the best out there you should not use below that in the future because it will probably ping.

 

[Graf]

Thanks.
My Bravo is already remapped with http://www.upsolute.com/index.php?option=com_upsolute&task=car&id=3436&id_marke=1&id_model=13570 software.
The basic Giulietta 1.4 120HP is the same engine as the 120 Bravo (198A4000).

 

[Graf]

Hi all,
Just came back from the workshop.
The turbo was replaced from VL37 to the Abarth's VL38.
Down pipe as well.
It seems I need to remap again. It feels that the Bravo as less torque.

 

[Graf]

Hi,
I have an option to buy 2nd hand Abarth Punto Evo cat back.
Does anyone have an experience with such?
I couldn't find the Bravo's cat back diameter nor the Abarth's.

Thanks.

 

[Graf]

haven't post here for long time.
I just finished my last remap.
My setup for the remap:
IHI VL38 - an Abarth 500 turbo
4 bar fuel pressure regulator.
Full custom pipe : 2.5" of downpipe, central and cat back.

Using "Max Tuning" dyno and software from etuners.gr (Stelios) :worship: we have succeed to achieve the following results.

http://www.etuners.gr/en/index.php?s=1

 

[Matthewr1990]

That making out at about 160 BHP. Or am I reading it wrong. If so that's brilliant.

 

[Graf]

Bravo 120 as stock comes with up to 100 bhp "on wheel" and 120 @ engine.
So, what we see here is an improvment of 65 bhp and up to 10 kgm from stock 120 Bravo

 

[aurick86]

AFAIK Fiat (and most European car makers) advertise the power at the wheels..so that would be 120 at the wheels.

Still a very good improvement. what petrol do you now run in it? is it still ok with 95 octane?

 

[Graf]

When i bought the Bravo, it was 90 bhp on wheel (dyno).
Yes, I use 95 petrol.