So howcome you don't find your feet catching?
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I press the clutch down 
So, you ride ze clutch do you?
Very interesting, but not good.
Very interesting, but not good.
no I move my foot back
How uncomfortable and inconvenient, and clumsy. So much better to be able to slde it to the left and rest it in the proper position
Ozric-Al
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Have to say I'll be with Ulpian on this one if it is the case. One of the many reasons I didn't buy the Punto HGT I test drove many moons ago was lack of foot room to the left of the clutch.
The Original Bravo has it so why not this much larger, new model. Will be most disappointed if FIAT have made this glaring error again.
The Original Bravo has it so why not this much larger, new model. Will be most disappointed if FIAT have made this glaring error again.
Yes, and the little Panda has room too - and, I notice, the original Punto.
I'd better shut up now cos I'm sounding nerdy, but being at-ease in a car matters to me, and Fiat can fix this easily.
So perhaps I'd better not shut up, but rather keep pestering them until they do something...
Take a look Ozric and let us know what you :chin: think
I'd better shut up now cos I'm sounding nerdy, but being at-ease in a car matters to me, and Fiat can fix this easily.
So perhaps I'd better not shut up, but rather keep pestering them until they do something...
Take a look Ozric and let us know what you :chin: think
Dont bother me,depends what your used to I suppose.
Ozric-Al
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Well I don't know about the Panda but the Original Punto (MK1) did have room as I've owned one. MK2 HGT didn't.
Will organise myself a test drive before long but it's not that high on my agenda at the moment.
Its strange co I never noticed it either. Although I'm used to a foot rest in the Marea. But then like T I drive so many different cars each day you don't have a chance to settle and notice wee foibles (SP) like that.
Wee foibles I can put up with too: window lifts in silly places, radio controls behind gearlevers, seatbelts in two door cars you have to twist around and reach back to find, reverse gears in difficult-to-find positions, lack of storage for anything bigger than a matchbox, tailgates you have to open from inside the car (or by remote), and many others that don't immediately spring to mind.
But changing gear is a constant part of the driving experience, and should be an easy and slick process. This is what helps make driving fun. Having a foot constantly snagging a clutch and with no comfortable rest position is permanently annoying, and potentially lethal.
The Bravo is an excellent car in need of a tiny bit of fine tuning. I'll be interested to see if any motoring journalists pick up on this. Often they don't, because they don't live with the cars they test on a daily basis.
Anyway, time for bed. Stuff to do tomorrow and I need my beauty sleep. That doesn't work properly either:wave:
But changing gear is a constant part of the driving experience, and should be an easy and slick process. This is what helps make driving fun. Having a foot constantly snagging a clutch and with no comfortable rest position is permanently annoying, and potentially lethal.
The Bravo is an excellent car in need of a tiny bit of fine tuning. I'll be interested to see if any motoring journalists pick up on this. Often they don't, because they don't live with the cars they test on a daily basis.
Anyway, time for bed. Stuff to do tomorrow and I need my beauty sleep. That doesn't work properly either:wave:
After 7 posts I think we get the picture
Move on
Move on
no foot rest? NO!!!! so i guess this is a family car designed to be driven by women? thats a new approach.
i have size13's, and in all honesty i couldnt own a car if it didnt have a foot rest, the pain is unbearable. i drive in heavy traffic twice a day so my left foot needs somewhere to rest. my GF's mk2 punto doesnt have a footrest and you can guarantee i complain about it every time i drive it. i call it the punto's achilles heel (pun intended ).
i guess there's room to fit one from another car? (like i had to on my escort)
i have size13's, and in all honesty i couldnt own a car if it didnt have a foot rest, the pain is unbearable. i drive in heavy traffic twice a day so my left foot needs somewhere to rest. my GF's mk2 punto doesnt have a footrest and you can guarantee i complain about it every time i drive it. i call it the punto's achilles heel (pun intended
).i guess there's room to fit one from another car? (like i had to on my escort)
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well i cant say i noticed the lack of a foot rest with my work boots
also all of ours had side repeaters but some were missimg screws for the interior fuse box cover one had a plasic layer all over the dash and the handbrake gaiter slideing type fing not fit properly but other than that they seem solid i see the glove box has been improved since the punto grande
how long did it take everyone to work out presing the rear badge opens the boot a novel touch
also all of ours had side repeaters but some were missimg screws for the interior fuse box cover one had a plasic layer all over the dash and the handbrake gaiter slideing type fing not fit properly but other than that they seem solid i see the glove box has been improved since the punto grande
how long did it take everyone to work out presing the rear badge opens the boot a novel touch
OK, here I go again...
It isn't the lack of a footrest per se that irritates me, it is the fact that there isn't quite enough space between the centre console and the pedal.
This means that, unless you have small feet, you have to lift your foot off the pedal rather than slide it. And then there is nowhere to place it except in a halfway-house position to the left and under the pedal - unsupported. Now, obviously some people find this opinion (fact) obsessive, but it will both cost sales and irritate buyers who fail to notice it first time out - when they are being seduced by the cute dashboard and lovely shape.
Sounds picky to some I guess, but a real irritant to those of us who like to be comfortable behind the wheel:bang:
And another thing, did anyone notice that not a word was mentioned of the Bravo in The Sunday Times Motoring supplement. Ditto yesterday's Telegraph. Are they saving the reviews till next week, when the 500 will have been launched?
There was a very interesting interview, however, with the CEO of Fiat in the Business bit.
That'll do, for now.........:devil:
It isn't the lack of a footrest per se that irritates me, it is the fact that there isn't quite enough space between the centre console and the pedal.
This means that, unless you have small feet, you have to lift your foot off the pedal rather than slide it. And then there is nowhere to place it except in a halfway-house position to the left and under the pedal - unsupported. Now, obviously some people find this opinion (fact) obsessive, but it will both cost sales and irritate buyers who fail to notice it first time out - when they are being seduced by the cute dashboard and lovely shape.
Sounds picky to some I guess, but a real irritant to those of us who like to be comfortable behind the wheel:bang:
And another thing, did anyone notice that not a word was mentioned of the Bravo in The Sunday Times Motoring supplement. Ditto yesterday's Telegraph. Are they saving the reviews till next week, when the 500 will have been launched?
There was a very interesting interview, however, with the CEO of Fiat in the Business bit.
That'll do, for now.........:devil:
I need to go and wash my hair
D4nny8oy
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Thing is, there may not be any room to create a space for a clutch footrest. Usually the centre console trims run very close to the heater box anyway, so what room there is, that's what you've got.
Left-hand drive cars utilize the space taken up by the front wheelarch bulge as a footrest, and they design the rest of the space around it (including the heater box). Sadly this doesn't work out well for the smaller right-hand drive market- the wheel arch is on the wrong side, and development costs mean the heater box is "mirrored", or like in Stilo's is compact enough to re-use (hence why the pollen filter is on the "wrong" side :bang: ).
Fact is, this is a trait throughout the right-hand drive market and happens in many models from many manufacturers (because they all come from countries who insist on driving on the wrong side )
Anyway, even if Fiat did fit a clutch footrest, you'd all moan it was too high-
https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-technical/108448-drivers-footrest-pedal.html
Left-hand drive cars utilize the space taken up by the front wheelarch bulge as a footrest, and they design the rest of the space around it (including the heater box). Sadly this doesn't work out well for the smaller right-hand drive market- the wheel arch is on the wrong side, and development costs mean the heater box is "mirrored", or like in Stilo's is compact enough to re-use (hence why the pollen filter is on the "wrong" side :bang: ).
Fact is, this is a trait throughout the right-hand drive market and happens in many models from many manufacturers (because they all come from countries who insist on driving on the wrong side
)Anyway, even if Fiat did fit a clutch footrest, you'd all moan it was too high-
https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-technical/108448-drivers-footrest-pedal.html
No, I wouldn't.
I give praise where praise is due.
And if they moved the clutch two centis to the right there muight just be space.
Anyway, I don't buy that heater box excuse. They know at the outset about the RHD market and should consider it.
Actually, if Fiat employees passed complaints back to Fiat perhaps something would get done
Shooting the messenger doesn't help:devil:
I give praise where praise is due.
And if they moved the clutch two centis to the right there muight just be space.
Anyway, I don't buy that heater box excuse. They know at the outset about the RHD market and should consider it.
Actually, if Fiat employees passed complaints back to Fiat perhaps something would get done
Shooting the messenger doesn't help:devil:
PS.
You aren't supposed to mention the Stilo in the same breath as the Bravo...
You aren't supposed to mention the Stilo in the same breath as the Bravo...
Actually, if Fiat employees passed complaints back to Fiat perhaps something would get done
They do,its part of the DET's role.
