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There was a programme on TV a couple of months ago about this subject and one manufacturer has come up with a solution to this, can't remember for certain but I think it was Mercedes, the keyless key has a movement sensor built and if it hasn't detected any movement for over 5 minutes is goes to sleep and stops transmitting altogether,it wakes up again as soon as it's moved .
 
Michael Dranfield said:
There was a programme on TV a couple of months ago about this subject and one manufacturer has come up with a solution to this, can't remember for certain but I think it was Mercedes, the keyless key has a movement sensor built and if it hasn't detected any movement for over 5 minutes is goes to sleep and stops transmitting altogether,it wakes up again as soon as it's moved .
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Yes an ingenious solution and good idea.

It is a sad fact that manufacturers design all these smart systems but do not recruit exerts in art of destroying your idea. The smart key is an obvious example.
 
Put the key in an aluminium box or RF safe wallet. It makes it less convenient and now totally pointless (rather than almost pointless) but the RF signals can't get past the Faraday cage so the car is safe(r).

How long before we see ways to remotely clone the RF security chip?
 
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DaveMcT said:
Put the key in an aluminium box or RF safe wallet. It makes it less convenient and now totally pointless (rather than almost pointless) but the RF signals can't get past the Faraday cage so the car is safe(r).

How long before we see ways to remotely clone the RF security chip?
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You will be surprised at how RF signals can "creep out" even from a closed tin.

If you choose to put your key in ANY shielding solution you should regularly check that it is actually working. I tried the tin box solution on my 500X keys and they still worked :eek:
 
Yes it is realistic to think of alternative ways of nobling ones vehicle.

Fuel pump or starter solenoid would be my initial thoughts / targets.

Ideally one would not have to cut into and cable looms so a fuse box fuse extension/bypass would be a good and non damaging route to go.

However depending on the cars systems / body computer then it could be that a fuel pump or starter solenoid being open circuit will throw and error and turn on the MIL.

Could prove to be a trial and error approach and ensure you have the means to reset any fault codes.
 
How's this for an alternative: you create a key, and install a coded chip in aforementioned key. You then design the car so that it can only be started by inserting that coded key into a mechanical switch...
 
puntofan01 said:
How's this for an alternative: you create a key, and install a coded chip in aforementioned key. You then design the car so that it can only be started by inserting that coded key into a mechanical switch...
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It's no worse than an annoying START button in clear view but not especially convenient.

As for Faraday cages, a microwave is likely to be as good as it gets and keep it plugged in so the cage is earthed. It does annoying when you cook your porridge and forget to take your keys out. :eek:
 
puntofan01 said:
I've got to be honest, I just see all these keyless systems as the height of laziness tbh. Turning a key to start a car really isn't inconvenient, and I get the impression it's no less secure than the best keyless systems.
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Sort of agree with you. With my 500X I can turn key less entry off. I currently have it turned on with other protections in place.

One money and key fob reliability good point of key less entry is that you are not wearing out the key fob which will eventually suffer some form of button failure or case erosion for which Fiat will fleece your bank account for large sums of money :D
 
Fiat Key fobs can be replaced cheaply. Just swap the contents and key blade to a new case. :)

The only safe answer to thefts is to use a steel safe for all keys. The metal case keeps them safe from remote radio theft and you (should) always know where they are.

Tesla have not really thought about it because they have minimised the interior so much there is nowhere to put the key card without it falling under a seat. So much for convenience.
 
Many years ago, my dad owned a ford Anglia, and whenever he came home, he would open the bonnet, take off the distributor cap, and remove the rotor arm, put it in his pocket, replace the dizzy cap and close the bonnet.
He maintained that no thief would ever get away in the car............
(seem to remember around that time, there was a spate of anglia's being stolen, for some reason...)
Sadly, that's not an option these days....I still have an original 'krooklock' which I use on the Punto (heaven knows why!!)
Would use it on the Multi, but the gearstick is in the wrong place (so is the handbrake!!) :):):):)
 
s130 said:
You will be surprised at how RF signals can "creep out" even from a closed tin.

If you choose to put your key in ANY shielding solution you should regularly check that it is actually working. I tried the tin box solution on my 500X keys and they still worked :eek:
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I know this is an old post but the content is still relevant.

This bit "You will be surprised at how RF signals can "creep out" even from a closed tin." is very true.

Whilst at Uni, a very esteemed professor was showcasing some of his latest work, in the form of a presentation.
In a crowded lecture theatre, he proceeded to use a biscuit tin with a receiver inside, and with the lid off received signals very well, he then closed the lid whilst saying how the signal would be prohibited from getting through, however the room erupted when the sound at the receiver just carried on.

We were all amused when we were asked to 'imagine' that it wasn't working, for the benefit of this particular demonstration.

So as s130 says, you need to actually prove it isn't getting through.
 
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