Karbine's Golf Mkiv.

[karbineftw]

glad i got to see the Punto before it dissappeared

looks like a good find, being VAG it'll be solid, would't worry about the mlage too much just regular servicing and it'll be fine

i'd imagine it'll feel abit slow compared to the punto? cos it'll be a fair bit more weight but not a great deal more power but like you said it's safer... till a great car for a 17yo

enjoy it mate, i like the sound of the mods you got planned

Cheers for that Fordy
It does feel considerably heavier when accelerating but when up to speed it's power is unmatched to the punto! The extra speed is a bonus but yeh, safety is more important.

I'm thinking of getting coilovers to improve the handling and of course improve it aesthetically.
And some 17" TT wheels! I just need to keep my eye open. I now kinda know what is available for it wheel wise

 

[Steve 75]

Maybe I'm getting old... but I really don't see the point in buying a cheap, poverty spec. model, then spending money on pointless modifications.

Surely you'd have been better spending more on getting a better version of the Golf to begin with?

Big wheels and coilovers are no use to you when you're sat in a traffic jam and it's 30 degrees outside - whereas the better seats, climate control and stereo of the SE model would make life a lot more comfortable.

Coilovers and 17" wheels will double what you paid for it - meaning you're rapidly approaching GTI money and GTI insurance premiums.

 

[karbineftw]

Maybe I'm getting old... but I really don't see the point in buying a cheap, poverty spec. model, then spending money on pointless modifications.

Surely you'd have been better spending more on getting a better version of the Golf to begin with?

Big wheels and coilovers are no use to you when you're sat in a traffic jam and it's 30 degrees outside - whereas the better seats, climate control and stereo of the SE model would make life a lot more comfortable.

Coilovers and 17" wheels will double what you paid for it - meaning you're rapidly approaching GTI money and GTI insurance premiums.

You obviously haven't read my Mk1 thread then!!
https://www.fiatforum.com/punto/187544-updated-punto-pictures-my-red-mk1-35.html
My point being that, that's what I like to think my hobby is, and I enjoy doing it.
30 degrees outside?! 30 degrees?!!! haha you gotta be joking right!
I really don't know what facts you are basing your figures on?
I can get 17" TT alloys for ~£100 and Coilys for ~£250.. to me that doesn't quite add up to £2500

 

[karbineftw]

I've just ordered 3 LED strip bulb thingys for both footwells and the centre cubby hole where my iPod chills out. I really hope these are not seen as the "fast and the furious look" because i'm really not into that ****e. Just thought they give a nice subtle glow to match the gorggeeee dials
Like this

 

[Yazza54]

It's a shame they have such a following with scrotes because if theyre used properly the led's can look smart. Sure you'll do a decent job. Solder in ftw though, hate scotch locks!

 

[Steve 75]

Ebay suggests a minimum of £300 for the alloys. Plus tyres. Which are going to be another few hundred on top of that.

Admittedly, you can buy cheap coilovers - but they won't help the handling or ride at all.

Just all seems a tad pointless - no matter what you do to it, it'll always be poverty spec., overweight and under powered.

They're good cars - but I can't see the attraction in inflating your insurance by fitting mods that'll actually make it a worse car than it was as standard.

 

[Yazza54]

Poverty spec is a bit harsh! It is his second car and he's not been on the road 5 minutes. Ain't bad at all. Although you do have a point about bumping the premium up etc, especially if it isn't going to enhance the drive. Each to their own isn't it!

 

[Brin]

I've just ordered 3 LED strip bulb thingys for both footwells and the centre cubby hole where my iPod chills out. I really hope these are not seen as the "fast and the furious look" because i'm really not into that ****e. Just thought they give a nice subtle glow to match the gorggeeee dials
Like this

Wow that interior looks more fast and furious than mine lol im liking it is that your interior dan??? or is it just a pic as a example of what you want it like???

 

[jip0]

Poverty spec is a bit harsh! It is his second car and he's not been on the road 5 minutes. Ain't bad at all. Although you do have a point about bumping the premium up etc, especially if it isn't going to enhance the drive. Each to their own isn't it!

to true i would of had a golf for my first car if i could afford the insurance for it

Wow that interior looks more fast and furious than mine lol im liking it is that your interior dan??? or is it just a pic as a example of what you want it like???

that is standard on all VW's accept the footwell lights and the light in the pocket above the headunit

 

[karbineftw]

Ebay suggests a minimum of £300 for the alloys. Plus tyres. Which are going to be another few hundred on top of that.

Admittedly, you can buy cheap coilovers - but they won't help the handling or ride at all.

Just all seems a tad pointless - no matter what you do to it, it'll always be poverty spec., overweight and under powered.

They're good cars - but I can't see the attraction in inflating your insurance by fitting mods that'll actually make it a worse car than it was as standard.

I really don't see your problem here. I'm 17, young and stupid.

I actually can't be bothered wasting my time justifying my reasons to someone who clearly seems to be as diverse as a carrot.

 

[jip0]

I really don't see your problem here. I'm 17, young and stupid.

I actually can't be bothered wasting my time justifying my reasons to someone who clearly seems to be as diverse as a carrot.

ah one of the best excuses for us young un's

 

[Steve 75]

I'm merely offering advice.

In a year or two, you'll look at your Golf, with stupid oversized wheels and suspension that rattles fillings and wonder why you didn't spend all the modification and insurance money on one that wasn't the most basic model in the range. Especially when you want to swap it for something better, but no-one wants a 100bhp Golf without aircon, but with wheels that take liquorice strip tyres and no suspension travel.

I'm all for modifications if they're going to improve the car - I'd lowered my Alfa 75 and am currently building a modded Cinquecento..... but big wheels and cheap coilovers will only make the car worse, not better.

 

[Brin]

Ebay suggests a minimum of £300 for the alloys. Plus tyres. Which are going to be another few hundred on top of that.

Admittedly, you can buy cheap coilovers - but they won't help the handling or ride at all.

Just all seems a tad pointless - no matter what you do to it, it'll always be poverty spec., overweight and under powered.

They're good cars - but I can't see the attraction in inflating your insurance by fitting mods that'll actually make it a worse car than it was as standard.

Stop being a noooob, he cant do it up if he wants and cars look better after they have been modified otherwise people wouldnt bother spending so much money to modify them to ther own taste and alloys dont come at £300 minimum without tyres can get them much cheaper than that.

Dans got a good looking car and now he wants to mod it to his own perferance its his money, he did a great job on modding his punto and i know he defo isnt gonna make it worse than it is standard bit obvious if he putting money and effort into it he isnt gonna want it to look worse.

its not poverty spec alrite its a low engine size because of insurance not everyone has loads of money to insure large engine size cars for ther second car so some of us have to settle for lower engine sizes and it save petrol but looks the same on outside.

 

[jip0]

Maybe I'm getting old... but I really don't see the point in buying a cheap, poverty spec. model, then spending money on pointless modifications.

I'm all for modifications if they're going to improve the car - I'd lowered my Alfa 75 and am currently building a modded Cinquecento..... but big wheels and cheap coilovers will only make the car worse, not better.

isn't there a bit of a contradiction there

 

[Steve 75]

No, there isn't a contradiction there.

The 75 is on a proper Koni kit, whilst riding on standard wheels. Tightened it up for track use, but without ruining the ride and handling on the road.

The Cinq. is purely a track toy - I'm working on building something that'll be fun on the track for around a grand, including the cost of the car.

I've been playing around with cars and bikes for the thick end of 20 years now - one thing I learned early in my life was that, if the car is my only transport, then big wheels and cheap suspension kits just ruin the car's ride and handling.

They also make the car hard to sell on, and significantly de-value it. As well as hiking your insurance - at least until you are considered 'responsible' enough to modify cars without a premium loading....

What we have here is a housewife's 1.6 S Golf - which means no aircon, wind-down windows in the back (unless electrics were specced as an option when new) - big wheels and cheap coilovers will ruin the ride and handling, cost a fortune to keep in tyres, and cost a fair chunk extra on his insurance.

A 1.6 16v SE may have cost a little more to buy in the first place, but they're a much better spec. car, and as a standard car would end up costing less to insure than something with pointless mods.

 

[jip0]

No, there isn't a contradiction there.

The 75 is on a proper Koni kit, whilst riding on standard wheels. Tightened it up for track use, but without ruining the ride and handling on the road.

The Cinq. is purely a track toy - I'm working on building something that'll be fun on the track for around a grand, including the cost of the car.

I've been playing around with cars and bikes for the thick end of 20 years now - one thing I learned early in my life was that, if the car is my only transport, then big wheels and cheap suspension kits just ruin the car's ride and handling.

They also make the car hard to sell on, and significantly de-value it. As well as hiking your insurance - at least until you are considered 'responsible' enough to modify cars without a premium loading....

What we have here is a housewife's 1.6 S Golf - which means no aircon, wind-down windows in the back (unless electrics were specced as an option when new) - big wheels and cheap coilovers will ruin the ride and handling, cost a fortune to keep in tyres, and cost a fair chunk extra on his insurance.

A 1.6 16v SE may have cost a little more to buy in the first place, but they're a much better spec. car, and as a standard car would end up costing less to insure than something with pointless mods.

so what your saying is that karbineftw or me or many other people arnt allowed to modify our car to our preference and taste because it may not be practical, we can only do it if the car is going to be used as a track car or likewise

buying a better spec car is all fine and good if you have the money to buy it when you need it and if you can insure it, his current car is a 1.6 8v and your saying to buy a 1.6 16v which will put the insurance up quite a bit

my punto is 8v for the exact same car but 16v my insurance would be an extra 4000 pounds

when your young and inexperienced you just want to get on the road for as cheap as possible and do whatever you can to make your car better

 

[Steve 75]

The key word is 'better'.

17s and £200 coilovers are 'worse'.

I very much doubt there would be an awful lot in it on the insurance - we're not talking going from an Active Sport to a Sporting, or similar - we're talking S to SE spec. 'cooking' Golf - not a sporty model.

Adding the mods will increase the insurance anyway, quite possibly by more than the difference between a 1.6 8v S and a 1.6 16v SE.

One thing I have in common with all my car owning friends is that we look back and wish we hadn't spent money on modding pretty mundane cars - and that we'd saved the money to buy something very nice once our insurance came down to sensible levels.

A MkIV Golf is a great car to have as your 2nd car - but it won't be improved by the mods. mentioned.

 

[Brin]

so what your saying is that karbineftw or me or many other people arnt allowed to modify our car to our preference and taste because it may not be practical, we can only do it if the car is going to be used as a track car or likewise

buying a better spec car is all fine and good if you have the money to buy it when you need it and if you can insure it, his current car is a 1.6 8v and your saying to buy a 1.6 16v which will put the insurance up quite a bit

my punto is 8v for the exact same car but 16v my insurance would be an extra 4000 pounds

when your young and inexperienced you just want to get on the road for as cheap as possible and do whatever you can to make your car better

i completely agree not everyone can afford insurance on big engine sizes, i cant thats why i have a 8v punto instead of 16v like jipo, its only his second car insurance is still high for him and thats bull**** people can mod there cars how they like to ther own taste they dont have to make them to your perferance with stuttle mods for track racing, some people mod cars to match ther taste, some for track days, some to look good, some to perform better, in dan's case hes doing both as i have done with my punto.

 

[Steve 75]

<shrugs>

I'm offering sound advice based on many years and many cars experience.

The mods won't improve the looks of a metallic green 1.6 Golf and they certainly won't improve the performance.

But each to their own. I just really can't see the point.

 

[jip0]

The key word is 'better'.

17s and £200 coilovers are 'worse'.

I very much doubt there would be an awful lot in it on the insurance - we're not talking going from an Active Sport to a Sporting, or similar - we're talking S to SE spec. 'cooking' Golf - not a sporty model.

Adding the mods will increase the insurance anyway, quite possibly by more than the difference between a 1.6 8v S and a 1.6 16v SE.

One thing I have in common with all my car owning friends is that we look back and wish we hadn't spent money on modding pretty mundane cars - and that we'd saved the money to buy something very nice once our insurance came down to sensible levels.

A MkIV Golf is a great car to have as your 2nd car - but it won't be improved by the mods. mentioned.

them 8 extra valves will put your insurance up by quite abit no matter what spec

i know that me and dan are both with quinn and only mods that put your insurance up is engine mods

if your gonna go around and tell every young driver that they shouldn't mod there cars because they cant afford more expensive ones then you have quite a bit of work to do

what possessed you to come on to someone's thread and slate them for wanting to personalise there car is beyond me there's really no need for it