Technical Instrument cluster

[Nickhmh]

Hi all. Has anyone ever changed the instrument cluster successful? Long story but I needed to fit a 'new' one. Doesn't read speed above10/mph. Trip comp blinking etc. Can a fiat dealer reset it please? Car is an 52 punto elx with abs and no gear box speed sensor. Thanks guys

 

[Eklipze3k]

I'm no expert with these things, but I think it needs what's called a 'proxy alignment'. Can be carried out by a dealer for many £££s, or - if you let us know where you are - someone local may have a full copy of MultiECUScan and be able to do it for you.

 

[digger58]

no gear box speed sensor. What does it have?

 

[Eklipze3k]

no gear box speed sensor. What does it have?

Black magic

 

[flisko]

Black magic

satan magic, sick ****?

 

[Nickhmh]

It uses the abs wheel speed sensors to calibrate speed via the body ecu.

 

[Ziggy122]

Most Mk2 to mk2 or Mk2b to mk2b dash's are interchangeable

however upon fitting, the car and dash WONT talk properly
The mileage clock will flash
You may get random errors - even though there is nothing wrong

But before condoning the cluster
Have you had a live data read out - to see what the car thinks the vehicle is doing?
If the cars thinks its doing only 10mph, the dash will display 10mph
To me that would say there is a duff ABS sensor component somewhere

If the car says yes im doing 32mph and you've got 10mph = i would sway more towards dash

If the dash is at fault - proxy Alignment is requires
A decent Auto Electrician - fiat Stealer (very expensive) can do this task
OR
You can buy and pay for MES (Multi ecu scan), its a cracking piece of software, and will allow you todo Fiat/Alfa/Lancia Diagnostics yourself
and carry out procedures like the Proxy Alignment
Where it makes all the components of the car talk correctly to each other

Another Note
ENSURE THE NEW DASH HAS LOWER or Near Spot on mileage to yours

A HIGHER DASH CAN NOT GO BACKWARDS, ONLY FORWARDS

So if you have 88K, a 99K Dash is useless (10k mileage added = less value)
Vs a 60K Dash been fitted, corrected to 88K = Everybodys happy

Ziggy

 

[Nickhmh]

Most Mk2 to mk2 or Mk2b to mk2b dash's are interchangeable

however upon fitting, the car and dash WONT talk properly
The mileage clock will flash
You may get random errors - even though there is nothing wrong

But before condoning the cluster
Have you had a live data read out - to see what the car thinks the vehicle is doing?
If the cars thinks its doing only 10mph, the dash will display 10mph
To me that would say there is a duff ABS sensor component somewhere

If the car says yes im doing 32mph and you've got 10mph = i would sway more towards dash

If the dash is at fault - proxy Alignment is requires
A decent Auto Electrician - fiat Stealer (very expensive) can do this task
OR
You can buy and pay for MES (Multi ecu scan), its a cracking piece of software, and will allow you todo Fiat/Alfa/Lancia Diagnostics yourself
and carry out procedures like the Proxy Alignment
Where it makes all the components of the car talk correctly to each other

Another Note
ENSURE THE NEW DASH HAS LOWER or Near Spot on mileage to yours

A HIGHER DASH CAN NOT GO BACKWARDS, ONLY FORWARDS

So if you have 88K, a 99K Dash is useless (10k mileage added = less value)
Vs a 60K Dash been fitted, corrected to 88K = Everybodys happy

Ziggy

Thanks mate. The dash I have has 104000 miles the car has only done about 65000. Been onto my local fiat dealer who thinks they can do an alignment for £84 one hours labour. I've had a garage check it out with a snap-on scan tool with no faults found. No faults with wheel speed sensors etc. I know the cars not worth much in ££ but I only paid scrap price to the dealer for her as a gamble one owner and full history. I like this car so much more than my much newer Kia though.

 

[s and b]

forget the dealer because its highly likely on this age that the technician will not be able to fix your problem as the car will be as old as the fixer
get yourself mes or whatever it calls itself these days get it working via the elm lead and an old laptop running windows xp and somewhere in the boxes on mes or fiatecuscan as i remember it you will find that you need to align the dash to the body computer,its really easy but as said the mileage cant be wound back but thats of no consequence here
i think the programme still costs €49 but once you have it it does all fiats
google helps

 

[Nickhmh]

forget the dealer because its highly likely on this age that the technician will not be able to fix your problem as the car will be as old as the fixer
get yourself mes or whatever it calls itself these days get it working via the elm lead and an old laptop running windows xp and somewhere in the boxes on mes or fiatecuscan as i remember it you will find that you need to align the dash to the body computer,its really easy but as said the mileage cant be wound back but thats of no consequence here
i think the programme still costs €49 but once you have it it does all fiats
google helps

Thanks. Yes I've spoken to two fiat dealers who just say bring it in and we will have a look. Nice at £85! .I can't afford that. I do have an almost perfect Kia Rio that I'm using. But I'd rather be driving a Fiat. I don't have internet at home. But I do have an old Acer netbook with windows xl I think. I have an instrument cluster which works..apart from the speedometer. But it's had the needles removed. Can they be refitted acuretly? I still think the speedometer issues are with the wheel speed sensors.

 

[Eklipze3k]

I don't have internet at home.

Where do you live, 1994?!

 

[PirelliOllie]

I have recently done this in my 2009 Panda so it is definitely possible on an older Punto.

Mine was a straight swap (active cluster with no rev counter to an eleganza cluster with rev counter, trip computer etc) I just had to replace the wiper stalk too for one with a trip button. All works fine.

Was simply a case of swapping the new cluster for the old one, plugging in to my laptop with Registered MultiECUScan and associated cable, PROXI align, bump up the mileage on the new cluster to match my actual mileage (12k or so upped to nearly 50k) and good to go. No problems since.