General Classic Panda Oil Thread

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Gents and Lasses.....
If we can make this a sticky... and reccomend the oil type to our fellow panda'rers:)
 
Do you think Fuchs Titan XTR 10w-40 semi is alright, its being put in today. hopefully it will help starting on the cold mornings.
Would there be any reason to make it leak any more?

Will
 
I use Total 10W40 semi-synth. It seems to be pretty good. Any decent 10W40 or 15W40 should be fine. IMHO the most important thing is regular oil and filter changes. When you take an engine apart you can always tell the ones that have had regular changes. They are almost clean inside. Engines that have been neglected are always full of black crud.
 
lol, my engine has got loads of black crud everywhere. I had to get a camshaft from a scrap year the other day and the inside of that looked like it had just come out the factory, nice and gold.
Oh (random) never use the oil treatments. They made my car sound awful in the mornings as if it was really hard to push all the oil round it.
 
Of course,,,,,, REGULAR OIL CHANGES - THEY ARE MOST IMPORTANT!!

But semi-synth oil is best! synth oil provides better lube and high temp protection whilst the mineral element keeps crap away from your moving parts. Synth oil doesn't absorb particles thus when you drain your oil - where ar the particles? still inthe engine? Mineral oil absorbs the particles and they leave with the oil when you drain!!!!
I've been using Halfords SEmi-synth - purple bottle :)
 
I just picked up the panda from having its sump resealed. The garage used the Fuchs 10w40 i gave them and it is amazing at the difference it makes. Its about 2 degrees outside at the mo the car was completely cold, it started without any tapping as if it was running warm.
Its also so much easier to drive as well, less choke needed and no spluttering. Completely changed car, WOW!
 
Well i know this subject has been covered before,and everyone has there own personal opinions on preference and reasons for their choice!!i myself run my 1994 Panda 4X4 on mobil one fully synthetic 5w40!!My panda 1.1 runs like a dream with it!and no leaks!I rate mobil synthetic oils!i have always used it,and i woudnt put anything else in my cars!!Its anti wear properties are amazing,it keeps your engine clean and exellent at disipating heat.and also mobil is a huge company with money and resources,to research into developement.Got to say i have mobil fully synthetic gearbox oil in my panda and the difference after one month was amazing!
Damien.:p
 
Hello all,

As the following is regarding transmission oil rather than engine oil, I hope this is the right place for this information!

I was recently fortunate enough to speak to a Castrol engineer and I took the opportunity to ask about the best and most readily available transmission oil for the classic Panda given that the ZC90 oil is becoming increasingly difficult to find, especially in the UK. He informed me of the following:

Always use GL4 oil, never under any circumstances GL5. The recommendation was 80W90 transmission oil (or 75W80 if the need so arises). The oil does not have to be EP (extreme pressure) as the gear teeth inside the classic Panda gearboxes are not at particularly steep angles; on the contrary they are actually fairly gentle. I personally used Castrol EP80W90 GL4 and so far it seems really quite good (despite the lack of an EP specification recommendation). Even with the added complications of the classic Panda gearbox technically being a transaxle, my choice so far fortunately seems very sound.

I hope this can help some people who cannot find the sought after ZC90. The person in question is very trust worthy and has worked for Castrol for many years. Nonetheless I must stress two important factors; primarily that this is only a recommendation and however expert his knowledge of automobile lubricants and oils happens to be, I cannot say his knowledge of classic Panda transmissions is as deep. Second, I asked him these questions with regard to my own model of Panda (1986 1000S) which has the 999cc fire engine; therefore I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this information for other engine sizes and classic Panda models. I do however sincerely hope this information is helpful to some fellow Panda enthusiasts!

Regards,

Gary.
 
Red line do a range of fully synthetic gear oils that are free of the damaging sulphur based additives in most EP oils. They have a very good reputation and are popular in motorsports. Red line MTL looks ideal though it isn't the cheapest at around £13 per US quart (a little under a litre).
It is pretty easily available:
http://www.fluke-motorsport.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=137
http://rallynuts.com/motorsport/RED_LINE_Oils_1874/
http://www.turbobits.co.uk/acatalog...transmission_differential_axle_oil_fluid.html

It is what I'll be using once I run out of ZC90
 
I was in Halfords today (yes, I know it's not really the sort of place you go for accurate advice, lol) and their little book says that castrol syntrax is good for the box..

Any thoughts on this?

Jim
 
I'm looking for an engine oil, gearbox oil and a rear differential oil for my Sisley.

So far I've got the purple oil from Halfords for the engine.
Was considering Castrol ST90 for the gearbox.
Not sure what is the same as Tutela 140 for the diff though.

Anyone any thoughts?
 
Any good 10W40 or 5W40 semi synthetic or synthetic oil will be fine for the engine.

Can you still get ST90? As far as I can tell it is no longer in production. However, if you can get some it is the right stuff.

140 has always struck me as extremely thick oil for the back axle. As you only seldom put any power through the back axle I am sure EP90 (or EP80W90) would be fine. The axle doesn't have the same issues with EP oils as the gearbox.
 
Looking at the Millers site, their GL3 still contains EP additives. Their GL1 looks ok "Contains anti-wear and anti-corrosion additives, but excludes the EP additives which can harm yellow metals".

The axle oil looks right.
 
I thought ZC 90 was GL3 though? Not that I am sure what the GL bit means but I surmized (from Wikipedia! and possibly wrongly) that the lower the GL the less EP it is. So GL1,2 are non EP, GL-3 low EP and GL4-5 are EP? Have I got that completly wrong :eek:

I can't find the website I found the info on now (typical!) but it said that the GL-3 was not recommended for Hypoid gearboxs which the Panda box isn't (Thats right isn't it?) and it says that the additives don't harm the yellow metals, so I thought it would be ok.

Thanks for your help. :)
 
As far as I have been able to find out, the GL rating is a measure of the oil's performance rather than what additives are used in it. The higher the rating, the higher the protection against wear under the extreme contact pressures in some gearboxes and axles. The most common additives are based on sulphur, which gives EP oil it's characteristic smell. The problem is that these sulphur compounds attack the yellow metal used in Fiat synchros. However there are other more expensive oils and additives that can provide the protection without using sulphur. The Red Line range of synthetics are a good example.

The real question is, how much more protection would a higher GL rating give a Fiat gearbox? As they are designed to run without EP additives I would guess that it actually wouldn't make much difference at all.
 
No never no oilchange any more - why ?

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No never no oilchange any more - why ?

Hi friends !

No oilchanges any more - lifetime warranty ?

I could not believe it - but the arguments and the test brought me to think :mad:

I cannot translate the hole story - perhapy somebody here can

The report: Klick

Keep your Pandas running

Yours Tom Panda_Jagd
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Hi all, though I'd post here instead of making another thread, Is slightly off track, but oil filters.

It is one type fits all? I recently won some on eBay, and seller said they might not fit. They had 9 Panda's at one stage and apparently they took different types:confused: I'm on about mk2 Panda's, as I suppose they might not fit the mk1's, but all of ours are mk2's.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110238725673

Thanks. Jon.
 
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There's more than one type. I've had problems with oil filters not fitting. I got one from halfords which looked right in the book, but it was too short and didn't screw on so I had to take it back and get the "other one". There may have even been a third type, can't remember now.

As for that GL thing, we've had this debate on Lada forums (Not dis-similar to Fiats namely the old 126). Forget about GL1 2 and 3 unless you a sevicing Stephenson's Rocket. GL5 is in theory a better oil, but don't use it! Some GL5 (not all) have additives that will destroy the yellow metals. Stick with GL4 you'll be safe with that.
 
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