General cinq/sei turbo FAQ

[J333EVO]

Re: THE cinq turbo faq.

The only reason MG Metro's have T3's is because Austin/Rover as it was then had bought 20,000T3 cheap from Garrett and needed to do something with them found this out from an industry insider. Fitting a T2 on a MG Metro makes them instantly more drivable and faster with out increasing the turbo pressure, but instaed increasing the turbo response time.

 

[davethetrike]

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Thanks,

J333 sounds very austin mg whatever they were are called.

TC 1250 Last week I won a Gt15 on ebay for 35.50 euro I'm only waiting for the postman. And I even don't need it

Typical I'll end up paying into 3 figures gbp !!!

Alex Thanks for the link

Arc cool link tells me exactly what tin I need!

Chaos thanks,

Ok the hunt is on and a ff member wonder who) has put turbo and mani onto ebay, thats my starting point...

When I've sourced the turbo I'll be back with more dopey stuff

I'm curious how the extra fuel is pumped in....

spose this'ld do http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TURBO-PEUGEOT...ryZ10406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Is it ok to post this here, or should I create a new thread...

 

[TurboCinqy1250]

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Looks nice.

Try a search on ebay germany, My opinion is that the UK is to expensive with parts.

 

[custard]

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may even be a full turbo kit on ebay soon :chin:

 

[ycming]

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What sort of ECU will this a turbo cinq be using? Will it be getting remapped? Or have to be tune by some professional ?

Or can it be done by writing the ecu by yourself??

 

[TurboCinqy1250]

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Most of the time they are using a 2nd injector on top of the TB.
And thats driven by a fuel computer like the Van Aakens Fuel Controller or you could buy a piggyback computer.

Remapping is most of the time nessisary because of the ignition timing.
Piggybacks have also this option. + you can change the std. injector mapping a bit.

 

[custard]

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and had you read the 1st page of this post you would have seen what the VAD system uses!

 

[fingers99]

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That's pretty much the current state of play. But, Arc will be working with a Megasquirt (at base level, build it yourself from bits ECU although he's waiting for a pre-built version) gazzaman is starting from the base kit and Aaron will be going the Emerald route (but is using it on a NA motor). I'm in deep thought mode.

As to writing it yourself, well, if you're profficient in assembler (and/or C) there's no reason why you should'nt write your own stuff for Magasquirt (but you'd need to know a fair bit -- probably from working with a Megasquirt previously) about what was required. If you were an electronics engineer as well, you could develop your own kit.

The above ECUs (and others) have advantages over the piggy back systems -- probably not in terms of outright power, but with regard to engine reliability and control: they're simply far more flexible.

Which ever system, it'll need final setting up on a rolling road.

 

[Asteris]

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I am waiting too for my MS-II kit, in order to let it handle my turbo 1242 setup. I believe someone should start a new thread on the cento specific progress of MS installation.

We can exchange ignition and fuel maps, IAC settings and data on the extra features like boost and traction control.

 

[fingers99]

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Done. Can you make it sticky, please, custard?

 

[GhostWKD]

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I'm not custard but stickied

 

[fingers99]

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Thanks, GhostWKD!

 

[SkinzCinqSporting]

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Ghost can i get sticky with you? :worship:




im a mod groupy

 

[fast_fiat2000@hotmail.com]

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could any one tell me what bits and where i can get them from too turbo the punto 60 engine building the kit myself using the garrett t15 turbo

 

[fingers99]

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could any one tell me what bits and where i can get them from too turbo the punto 60 engine building the kit myself using the garrett t15 turbo

There doesn't seem to be any one place you can buy the kit. Novitek will fit a kit, but not sellyou the parts, but there are Italian companies that may.

Hee's a rough go at a list. As well as the turbo unit you need:

fabricated exhaust manifold into and out of the turbo
big bore exhaust
high flow cat
oil cooler
intercooler
high pressure/flow fuel pump
plenum chamber and 2nd injector
fuel regulator
filter/cooler take off plate
some way of reducing compression ratio
various guages, lengths of stainless or aluminium tube, silicone hoses
high capacity air filter
either:

MF2 unit
fuel cut defender
re-maped ecu

or: aftermarket ECU, megasquirt, emerald, etc.

optionally: stainless or sodium filled stainless valves
forged pistons

absolute necessities: uprated clutch (preferably larger flywheel and clutch), at least 14" wheels, uprated brakes and suspension.

 

[fast_fiat2000@hotmail.com]

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There doesn't seem to be any one place you can buy the kit. Novitek will fit a kit, but not sellyou the parts, but there are Italian companies that may.

Hee's a rough go at a list. As well as the turbo unit you need:

fabricated exhaust manifold into and out of the turbo
big bore exhaust
high flow cat
oil cooler
intercooler
high pressure/flow fuel pump
plenum chamber and 2nd injector
fuel regulator
filter/cooler take off plate
some way of reducing compression ratio
various guages, lengths of stainless or aluminium tube, silicone hoses
high capacity air filter
either:

MF2 unit
fuel cut defender
re-maped ecu

or: aftermarket ECU, megasquirt, emerald, etc.

optionally: stainless or sodium filled stainless valves
forged pistons

absolute necessities: uprated clutch (preferably larger flywheel and clutch), at least 14" wheels, uprated brakes and suspension.

will i need the plenum chamber an 2nd injector on the spi funto engine 1.2 8 valve or could i use a single larger injector . . what bore pipe (exhaust ) u recomend as i have access too miles of 2" ID dairy pipe ( stainless steel )
about 1.6 - 2 mm wall thickness ..... do u recon i could get away with using the stock sei manifold or should i use the supersprint stainless manifold ( mind the stainless be easyer too tig ) any idea on size of oilcooler / intercooler ( or even what i could salvage one off ) whats the diff between the listed ecu's ??

i been looking at 14"s on ebay but the guy said he not too sure they would fit with the drop i have ( advertised as only wheel package too fit a sei lol ) i have upgraded the sus front and rear with strut braces front ( upper and lower) a cutsom made one in the rear too ... i been looking at the funto gt disks and callipers just got too find a fair condition set

 

[arc]

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i think you need to understand what you are trying to do.

larger single injector wont work, not without a remap of the std ecu to handle off boost fueling.

turbo engine should have a min 2.5" exhaust after the turbo

and there is no way u can cut up supersprint manifold and mount a turbo on it, even if you could it'd prolly just crack it.

 

[fingers99]

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I'll do my best, but arc is probablt the man to ask!

will i need the plenum chamber an 2nd injector on the spi funto engine 1.2 8 valve or could i use a single larger injector

For technical reasons I won't go into here (lots on this in A. Graham Bell Forced Induction Tuning) you need the second injector. .

what bore pipe (exhaust ) u recomend as i have access too miles of 2" ID dairy pipe ( stainless steel )
about 1.6 - 2 mm wall thickness

Me and Aaron were talking of 50mm o/d but that thickness is way OTT -- it'll weigh a ton!

do u recon i could get away with using the stock sei manifold or should i use the supersprint stainless manifold ( mind the stainless be easyer too tig )

Most turbo conversions use the stock spi manifold -- but there are advantages to making a stainless or mild steel one up from 40 guage (US) tube: you might get away with 304 (probably the spec of the dairy stuff) but 321 is recommended.

any idea on size of oilcooler / intercooler ( or even what i could salvage one off ) whats the diff between the listed ecu's ??

Blue has a 19 row 115mm cooler which works well at 120bhp -- oil temp is always < 120C. As for intercooler -- you want the biggest you can squeeze in there -- if you look at some of the Polish cars pictured here you'll see that on a Sei you can more easily stick in something very big!

For the ECUs, see the magasquirt and Emerald sites. Both have advantages.

 

[fast_fiat2000@hotmail.com]

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the dairy pipe is 316 chemical grade stainless 304 is car grade pipe work ( general use stainless ) .... as for the super sprint manifold you think it be too thin ?? or the welds not up too boost presure ie ... on the flange's ... the welding part isnt a problem i know that bit (class A coded welder with access to ac-dc / ac tig sets plus mma (stick) and flux core and gas mig sets ) just needed the knowlegde off u guys ... as for the larger injector ... i was just thinking surely it be easyer but if not then a second injector it is .... i have never seen the engine bay of a turbo car ... well baring dunc's current thread with his ut ......

 

[fast_fiat2000@hotmail.com]

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what would it cost too remap my stock sei ecu over buying a complete mega squirt system ?

50mm or 2.5" exhaust ??? see i can get all kinds in different thiknesses and sizes plus most grades of stainless but 316 will be my prefered with purged welds will out last any car