General An appreciating classic

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General An appreciating classic

As someone of a similar age who has been pondering exactly the same question over the last few months, with roughly the same price-bracket, I'll be fascinated to see what suggestions people come up with!

The challenge, of course, is contained in the title of Steve's thread. It's not a question of looking for low depreciators (we can probably all list the usual suspects), but of looking for something that will hopefully increase in value over the years, without being kept in cotton wool.

That just about rules out anything that is/was produced in any numbers, surely?

And the requirement for it to be reliable and usable may rule out some potential older candidates. I lust after a Fulvia, or an Alfa Spider 105/115, but I wouldn't want to use either all year round, and I've already got my B for the summer. Ditto a Citroen DS21.

Of the more recent machinery, it's really difficult to spot something that's sufficiently affordable to be within budget, yet sufficiently rare/desirable to be a potential appreciating classic. A good friend of mine thought he'd nailed it with a Renaultsport R26R (complete with all the trimmings, including titanium exhaust), which admittedly has kept its value pretty well so far, but only because he hardly uses it. In any event, I doubt it'll be worth very much in 10 years' time. Having said that, it's a riot to drive - nothing else I've driven comes close for raw entertainment. A bit Like a Caterham with 4 seats and a roof.

I've just spent a happy half-hour browsing the Pistonheads classifieds, my search parameters set for between £16-£19k and from 1993-2008, on the basis that anything older than that is unlikely to be usable as a daily driver, and anything more recent that that, within that price-point, is likely to be mass-produced and therefore not classic material.

I got 1059 hits, including some lovely Maseratis and TVRs that might potentially be future classics - but I'm not sure either marque would be suitable as a daily driver!

My pulse quickened at this one, but then I've always had a soft spot for Lancias:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...elta/lancia-delta-integrale-evo-1-16v/1406958

Remember Steve, I saw it first!!

(And before anyone points it out, yes I know it's older than 1993 - it showed up in my search because the vendors gave the date of importation - 2000 - rather than manufacture, but I'd still bite their hand off if I had the cash, and the nerve).
 
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This is a nice car

The colour is right and it is the kind of thing I am thinking of. I have been thinking of doing this for a while now and I recently met a couple in Tescos car park in an immaculate Austin Healey 3000 which they had bought new in 1964. It had an agreed insurance value of £45,000. What is the modern equivalent of this - Aston Martin DB7, Maseratti Coupe or early Quattroporte?

Yours is a great post Gareth - I love the Lancia and I have though about a TVR but have heard some tales of woe about their reliability.
 
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If it were me, Citroen SM. Fabulous looks, Maserati 2.8 engine, reliable if well maintained.

Good shout. I've long lusted after a DS Decapotable, which were still available for sensible money 10 years ago, but their prices have now gone through the roof

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How sexy is that?!!
 
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I have though about a TVR but have heard some tales of woe about their reliability.

You surprise me!! But just listen to one at full chat - the sound they make is heart-stopping.

I still remember that Top Gear episode where they visited the now-derelict TVR factory. Brought a lump to the throat, that one.

Off topic, but how the hell did we go from being one of the most creative and lauded car-producing nations on Earth to one which can only churn out shopping-trolley nissans and hondas? (I'm not forgetting the fantastic top-end stuff we still make, including all those F1 cars, but other than the bottom-end Lotuses, what do we produce in the UK these days that is genuinely desirable, yet still affordable to those who aren't footballers, drug dealers or merchant bankers?)
 
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Steve, as a Mercedes owner you should know that an SL R107 will be a superb choice - they will only increase in value if carefully looked after and serviced. Otherwise how about a nice old Porsche 911?
 
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Steve, as a Mercedes owner you should know that an SL R107 will be a superb choice - they will only increase in value if carefully looked after and serviced. Otherwise how about a nice old Porsche 911?

A 911 was actually my first thought and I have loved the SL's ever since watching Hart to Hart as a youngster. What I am thinking about is buying something that is maybe up to 10 yrs old that is a fraction of its original price but is special and desirable enough to eventually begin to increase in value. I want to buy something that is going to be fun enough to keep for ever. As I'm nearing retirement, it hasn't got to be a fortune to keep on the road and it must be capable of regular but not everyday use. I have thought about doing this for years and now, as the time gets nearer I want to do some serious research. My wife is in love with an 09 Alfa Spyder 2.2 JTS in a local car dealer. At £13950 for a mint low mileage example, its within budget but, I fear its value will see a lot more depreciation in the next few years. I really enjoy seeing the replies - keep them coming. :D
 
How about an Alfa GT with the 3.2 V6 engine? It was the last Alfa to be fitted with that engine - arguably the best-sounding V6 ever - and they are drop-dead gorgeous. Prices for the V6 are already firmer than for the JTS/JTD, and the desirability, coupled with the rarity factor, bodes well for future values. The GT is less compromised than the Brera/Spyder, which, while wonderful to behold, was widely regarded as being too heavy, and (apart from the later 1750 versions) never got the engine it deserved.

I'd have a Lusso in Stromboli grey with a red leather interior, or in Lipari grey with tan leather. You'll want a red one, presumably - a colour they look fabulous in.

As you can see, I've give this a fair amount of thought! I very nearly bought a GT several years ago (not long before I bought the B) and it's an itch that I've yet to scratch. After all, it's got my name on it (well, my initials anyway!)
 
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Ha! I might have guessed that you'd be watching that too!

Did you notice that the door-handle of the Gullwing Merc is just like the B's? How classy is that!
 
Great to see this marque on Classic Cars on Quest tonight. The one featured was an M series but not actually as nice as the one on eBay. Steve

Be careful with a 635. In my opinion one of the best looking large coupé ever BUT can be a real drain on your wallet. I had one some years ago as a toy (635 csi with manual dog leg gearbox)and when first bought it was in fairly good shape but despite being careful a few UK winters soon had the dreaded tin worm settling in especially in the inner front wings. They are not the easiest of cars to handle and when the Barchetta came along the 635 took second place. What is it with these little Fiat's? - they really do get under your skin and mine still makes me smile every time I drive it.
Still think an SL or 911 fits the bill, so long as you keep the B!
 
What I am thinking about is buying something that is maybe up to 10 yrs old that is a fraction of its original price but is special and desirable enough to eventually begin to increase in value. I want to buy something that is going to be fun enough to keep for ever.

Funnily enough I've just had almost the exact same conversation about potential modern classics and we concluded that pretty much anything manufactured after about 1990 could become essentially unmaintainable once the electronics start to break down irreparably.
 
Funnily enough I've just had almost the exact same conversation about potential modern classics and we concluded that pretty much anything manufactured after about 1990 could become essentially unmaintainable once the electronics start to break down irreparably.

Whilst potentially true there will always be specialist companies reparing ECUs etc. and even if there were not there will be specialist/custom fuel injection and other systems available for purchase at a price.

I think the more important factor here is "will to" and "budget to" to keep more modern and older classics riddle with electronic gizmos up and running when things bo bang!
 
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