4p off Diesel 2p off Petrol - Morrisons

[Shadeyman]

QUOTE from; http://www.simplemotoring.co.uk/supermarket-vs-branded-fuels

"The base fuel is the same for all companies – in fact, it usually comes from the same tanks at the local fuel refinery/distribution centre. What varies is the additives package that goes into the fuel. These additives packages are secret recipes of extra ingredients that help keep the engine clean and improve lubrication inside the engine cylinders. "

If all companies get it from the same tanks at the refinery, when does the additives package get added? Does the tanker driver climb up on top of the tanker and chuck a handfull of this secret recipe stuff into each of the tanker's compartments?
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I was in the process of copy and pasting this from a website when my mobile rang. I answered the call and returned to find my daughter using my laptop so source is lost but I will try and find it again..

"The fuel is stored in massive tanks, products for many different companies cna be stored in the same tank, since base products are identical, it's only when the product is loaded at the terminal rack into the tanker for delivery to your local station that it becomes "Esso", "Shell", "BP" fuel. During loading special injectors add the unique compounds that make fuel different. The fuel is then driven to your local station, dropped in the storage tanks where you pump it into your vehicle"

 

[sludgeguts]

In the olden days of motoring, when most every forecourt had an attendant, you could ask them to 'fill her up' and get a "shot of red" or a "penn'orth of red" - for which you received a squirt of redex into the tank.
I'm guessing that normal supermarket fuel is simply fuel as it comes from the main tank whereas [brand name] fuel is the same stuff but with your shot of redex or some cocktail of chemicals.

On the subject of price wars, driving round this morning my waze app asks me to pricecheck as I drive past petrol stations. Local Esso was 141.9 for diesel & tesco about a mile up the road was 144.9.
3 hours later & tesco had dropped their price to 142.9 - people will still go there because they get clubcard points. I've seen Q8 forecourt some 4ppl dearer than a shell garage further along and drivers queueing to fill up there.
I know it's only a couple of quid over a tankful but if drivers shopped around & boycotted the dearer forecourts it would make a difference.

 

[Davren]

"The fuel is stored in massive tanks, products for many different companies cna be stored in the same tank, since base products are identical, it's only when the product is loaded at the terminal rack into the tanker for delivery to your local station that it becomes "Esso", "Shell", "BP" fuel. During loading special injectors add the unique compounds that make fuel different. The fuel is then driven to your local station, dropped in the storage tanks where you pump it into your vehicle"

Well that's spoilt my illusion. I had visions of the driver getting up on top of the tanker to throw a handful of white powder in.
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[Most Easterly Pandas]

I was in the process of copy and pasting this from a website when my mobile rang. I answered the call and returned to find my daughter using my laptop so source is lost but I will try and find it again..

"The fuel is stored in massive tanks, products for many different companies cna be stored in the same tank, since base products are identical, it's only when the product is loaded at the terminal rack into the tanker for delivery to your local station that it becomes "Esso", "Shell", "BP" fuel. During loading special injectors add the unique compounds that make fuel different. The fuel is then driven to your local station, dropped in the storage tanks where you pump it into your vehicle"

Which matched Shell's excuse in the email I posted in the Shell Fuel Save post about East Anglia currently not having fuel save fuel as they haven't the equipment at the refinery which supplies our Shell stations to add the 'Fuel Save' compounds etc.

 

[Shadeyman]

I know one thing for sure. If you put raw fuel(no additives) into your car it would run very rough if at all. Most likely causing the engine management light to come on in a very short period of time. The additives increase the fuels octane rating, lubricate, protect, clean and many other things. Without them the raw fuel would slowly destroy our vehicles, so its stands to reason that the better the additives the better the fuel.

Is there a marked difference between supermarket fuel and branded fuel. Presonally I think there is.

 

[CJXY]

Yeah that all makes sense I suppose, but I still believe that there's really only a big difference between the premium fuels. I'm not sure I put much faith in the after the tanker fills up, thats when the additives are added theory - some tankers deliver fuel to several different garages on the same run... particularly in rural areas.

Oh well, it'll be getting traded in before it's 3rd birthday anyway, any problems beforehand it'll be Uncle Arnie's problem... thereafter, it'll be someone else's problem if it's screwed

 

[PuntoHowTo]

I'm not sure I put much faith in the after the tanker fills up, thats when the additives are added theory - some tankers deliver fuel to several different garages on the same run... particularly in rural areas.

Trucks are divided into 'pots' which can mean the truck is able to deliver to many different places having 1 pot for each station, about 5,500litres per pot and just over 33,000 litres total capacity. (This is a rough guide I'm sure you can do the maths I can't be bothered)

The trucks never carry part loads so if delivering to a garage it has to be able to deliver a minimum 1 full pot which is done to prevent fuel sloshing about and making the truck's handling difficult/dangerous.

This also means one truck can deliver petrol diesel and premium versions of these fuels all in one truck, all at once without a faff of having multiple lorries when supplies run low

 

[ChrisUK]

Well that's funny because Red Diesel (no additives other than Dye) works perfectly well in modern diesel engines no rough running. I know a guy a with a Defender V6 TDI runs on nothing but red and does about 40,000miles a year.

I'm not going to say it wouldn't run better on Premium fuel such as V-power diesel because it will.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Well that's funny because Red Diesel (no additives other than Dye) works perfectly well in modern diesel engines no rough running. I know a guy a with a Defender V6 TDI runs on nothing but red and does about 40,000miles a year.

How do you know its got no adatives other than dye out of interest?

Although, I've nothing against supermarket Diesel personally, I find the issues with supermarket Petrol.

 

[Shadeyman]

Well that's funny because Red Diesel (no additives other than Dye) works perfectly well in modern diesel engines no rough running. I know a guy a with a Defender V6 TDI runs on nothing but red and does about 40,000miles a year.

I'm not going to say it wouldn't run better on Premium fuel such as V-power diesel because it will.

Red Diesel has additives just like any other diesel.

How do I know?

Lets just say I know for a fact that removing the red die from red diesel also strips out the additives that lubricate, clean, increase octane rating etc.

Diesel engines will run on Class 2 Paraffin(Class 1 for petrol engines), if you want to try running your pride and joy on raw fuel fill it with Paraffin because it doesn't contain any additives.

EDIT.
Red diesel stripped of its dye & additives will wax in cold weather, foam causing problems filling small auto fuel tanks and may wreck injection pumps due to the removal of lubricity agents.
http://www.remmington.info/rederv.htm

 

[ChrisUK]

Yes but Diesel that meets the Required standard "BS EN 590:2009" to be sold in the UK must have these additives. It doesn't matter if you buy it at the supermarket or a 'premium' station such as Shell or using Red Diesel...

So the comment about rough running from supermarket diesel simply cannot be true unless there's contamination in the tank.

 

[Caravadossi]

A fuel company’s individual formula of additives cannot be much of a `secret’ – given the fuel companies have exchange agreements to draw fuel from each others refineries, & the distinguishing additive formula squirted in to the base fuel at the loading rack.

Check-out the Philpott trial.
Rebecca Jewell, who specialises in fire investigations, told Nottingham Crown Court, that branded fuel has a higher concentration of additives, which makes car engines run more efficiently, compared to supermarket petrol.
Ms Jewell said: "The liquid in petrol is not the part that burns, that is the vapours that sit above it.
"Petrol additives do not burn in fires, they are left behind. This means we can analyse them and unequivocally say which brand they come from."
She explained to the jury that additives remain on clothing for a long time, even when the fuel has evaporated.
Over six months, police sent the expert a series of exhibits, including clothing, from the defendants and the scene.
She said low level traces of Total and BP petrol additives were found on Mick Philpott's tracksuit bottoms, traces of Total petrol were detected on his socks, slippers and left trainer, and traces of Shell petrol additives were found on his boxer shorts and right trainer.

The problem I have with “… compared to supermarket petrol.” is that I’m advised my ASDA diesel is Total. The tanker driver submitted my diesel was Total out of “LOR” (Lindsey Oil Refinery) complete with Total additives. He advised there was no such thing as an ASDA additive – it was the same fuel as supplied to Total stations.

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[Shadeyman]

Yes but Diesel that meets the Required standard "BS EN 590:2009" to be sold in the UK must have these additives. It doesn't matter if you buy it at the supermarket or a 'premium' station such as Shell or using Red Diesel...

I know, it was you who said:

Well that's funny because Red Diesel (no additives other than Dye).

So the comment about rough running from supermarket diesel simply cannot be true unless there's contamination in the tank.

Its common practice for supermarkets buy "Old Fuel". Stuff that's not at its best because it has absorbed moisture while being left standing. My guess is when people report their car running "rough" as a result of buying supermarket fuel its probabely a result of filling up with this old fuel and not related to the additives ..

A fuel company’s individual formula of additives cannot be much of a `secret’ – given the fuel companies have exchange agreements to draw fuel from each others refineries, & the distinguishing additive formula squirted in to the base fuel at the loading rack.

I'm pretty sure the oil companies are far to powerful to not know what each other use. I think the word "Secret" is used when it relates to the general public, we have no idea what or how much they use, its very difficult to find out ..

 

[ChrisUK]

It say it's more to do with the stations themselves rather than the refineries etc.

 

[Shadeyman]

It say it's more to do with the stations themselves rather than the refineries etc.

More to do with how its contained/transported etc ..

I've attached a PDF document to this post. It relates to Yachting mainly because large yachts leave diesel standing in their massive tanks for weeks, sometimes months. It contains some interesting stuff like "Diesel Bug". Supermarkets take advantage of this because they can move huge amounts very quickly.

Have a read.

 

[Kier]

My bike is nearing the end of its second tank of V Power, and I've not noticed a difference in anything, if anything it appears to be getting less MPG, but that might be due to way I'm riding it at the moment, and taking a different route into work (quicker, but more stop start and traffic).

 

[ChrisUK]

Your on a bike.... "What Traffic?" :slayer:

 

[Kier]

Your on a bike.... "What Traffic?" :slayer:

When it would be illegal for me to overtake , or most the time because some **** doesn't want me overtaking them so they move from left to right stopping me.

That being said, on a good day, 25 minutes for a 15 mile trip during rush hour...it used to take anything from between a hour to an hour and a half in my car!

 

[NightHaunter666]

And got a tank full of inferior fuel :/

How do you know it was inferior? You can't tell what brand it is, as they buy what's cheapest at the time. Could be shell or bp.....

 

[jamesdt]

And got a tank full of inferior fuel :/

Isnt that all about the mix up in 2007 when tesco/morrison petrol had the diesel additive put in by mistake and the **** stuck? Cant say ive notice any probs caused on any vehicle ive had always used tesco for the clubcard points...have a work van also