I did a second transmission flush after the last one a year ago, refilled all good, but then I removed Torx55 plug on driver's side of car slightly forward from where the automatic transmission level / drain plus is. About three table spoons of some type of fluid came out only. What came out? What does this fluid support? It seems the car has the e.lectro hydraulic shifter and doesn't need gear oil or hydraulic fluid, but it would be weird for this to be just some sort of over flow for something? Oil level is perfect after oil change last week too, and yes the car is leveled at this point before I started the service. Any help as to what this actually does would be helpful, there is small 12 mm bolt just up perpendicular to the Torx 55 plug too, when I took it out just a few drips came out too. Again, any help would be great, or am I done, lol.
Technical 2012 1.4 Fiat 500 pop -6 speed with duallogic shifter
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Hello,
It's about a Ducato, but the OP 'discovers' the three different fluids.
As far as I know Dualogic, Conformatic and Selespeed are the same system sold under different names. Apparently it was also used in Ferrari and Maserati. And others.
It's about a Ducato, but the OP 'discovers' the three different fluids.
Changing clutch fluid comfortmatic | FIAT Ducato
Any information on changing the clutch fluid on a Fiat ducato 3.0 maxi multijet 2009 it’s the comfortmatic robotic clutch Can this be done by syringing out the reservoir then cracking the bleed valve then auto pressure bleeding
www.fiatforum.com
As far as I know Dualogic, Conformatic and Selespeed are the same system sold under different names. Apparently it was also used in Ferrari and Maserati. And others.
Thanks so much brother, I will keep digging and maybe take some pics so I can aid someone else with the actual process on my 2012 pop 1.4 500. What's sad is three dealers couldn't / and didn't gave me wrong information, thank God for logic which was telling me there we not real bright when it comes to actually knowing stuff other than what the stupid computer tells them, lol. I guess I will just trace out the brake reservoir and see where that leads and then see how that matches up with some of the paths that your link pointed out, but in the end I will get it right and patience and doing it right will win the day. I will post some update probably after Thanksgiving when I get done. I did see some old post somewhere that some guys said he would never let the dealer touch his car, I second that, lol. Probably gonna see if I can put an after market turbo on this little guys soon too.Hello,
It's about a Ducato, but the OP 'discovers' the three different fluids.
Changing clutch fluid comfortmatic | FIAT Ducato
Any information on changing the clutch fluid on a Fiat ducato 3.0 maxi multijet 2009 it’s the comfortmatic robotic clutch Can this be done by syringing out the reservoir then cracking the bleed valve then auto pressure bleedingwww.fiatforum.com
As far as I know Dualogic, Conformatic and Selespeed are the same system sold under different names. Apparently it was also used in Ferrari and Maserati. And others.
The problem with these robotized gearboxes is everyone thinks they are automatic, so need no servicing. So no one services them properly. And everyone is very wrong, as they need precise and regular servicing.
Nowadays even the dealers, as you said, only know how to change elements as they are instructed by the computer
Check other threads related to Conformatic gearbox on the forum, they could help you understand how the system works and what needs to be done to keep it in the best possible condition.
The parts are not cheap and some of them could be hard to get.
Good luck!
Nowadays even the dealers, as you said, only know how to change elements as they are instructed by the computer
Check other threads related to Conformatic gearbox on the forum, they could help you understand how the system works and what needs to be done to keep it in the best possible condition.
The parts are not cheap and some of them could be hard to get.
Good luck!
Alright, I've had her on the ramps level for a few days after thanksgiving. I traced the brake lines, but nothing to the transmission area housing on drivers side. So slept a winter's day or two on it, so the battery (driver's side too) sits on top of the transmission gear shifter bushing (changed that cheap piece of plastic crap almost a year ago after it left me stranded) area where it looks like the select o magic (I'm calling it, lol) box sits attached to the same area as the physical cable that runs from the shifter inside the car. On the bottom of the car as mentioned before is where I found the torx 55 drain plug that yielded a small amount of fluid when I drained it when this began, so after thinking logically that the / a fill plug (or separate small reservoir) not attached to the brake reservoir would / should be near the area where the drain plug is I pulled the battery, and then began loosening the select o magic box and cable running to the shifter (where the cheap designed bushing is). Those were 3 each 12 and 13 mm bolts, I had one hiding underneath the small plate on the cable shifter and left it until the next day, then I decided to pull this small but in the way wire bracket (1 10 mm bolt) and what did I find underneath, but a torx 55 fill plug it would seem. So this is where I am at, I will do a more detailed video when I am done to help folks but I just now need to put something in there with the drain plug open is the plan and see if it what it appears. Here is a pic of the top side and I just need to figure out if it is the GL4-70 75 gear oil or brake fluid, I am leaning towards the gear oil as there does appear to be some reference information to the "dry clutch" but without any good information other than "the green vanper" I have to take my time and let patience have her perfect work of killing problems, lol. Oh, and just drive my truck in the meantime and "burning that gasoline", lol. Here is a pic to maybe help someone in the meantime too.
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Are you sure it's not hydraulic fluid for the DuaLogic robot? What's the level like in the DuaLogic reservoir?
Thanks for the input brother, well the green vanper put me on the path of systems it could be, but like I said in the first post, I knew it wasn't oil or transmission fluid (because I have serviced both twice now in two years since I have had the little pop 500), but logically I am betting that if I pour fluid in the top hole (aka fill plug hole) ( I'm thinking I will use a light weight hydraulic oil with the bottom drain plug open) the fluid will just come out the bottom.
There was only about three tablespoons of fluid that came out of the torx55 drain plug when I opened it, but it was darker from I would think years of use, but it was not oil or transmission fluid. The chances of the same torx55 plug being used on the top side of the same system is high (at least it would be for good engineering, lol ), but we will see. To your point though, without good documentation / access to components that need maintenance (service) from our friends at FIAT, I am not sure what it is, but it's not the engine or the transmission, but looks to be just the shifter area on the drivers side so whatever they call it Dualogic, Conformatic Selespeed (per green vanper), and my name "select o magic" , lol , we will get to the bottom of it without a drawing and without tearing it up. It would make sense logically as well that the transmission would have a sub area and covering protecting the shifter which is really all that is going on, which has glorified some device or subsystem that now moves the linkage for the transmission to know what gear you want. Don't you guys think that if we were making a car, and system, and subsystem off of that, that we would use similar bolts for the drain and fill plugs especially when they are in proximity to the sub system running the select o magic shifting when using non automatic mode of transmission? So until then I will try to find more information on fluids and amounts needed for service, but like I told the green vanper the dealers in the states are not much help. I will hopefully get to it soon, but I appreciate y'all's input. Thanks
There was only about three tablespoons of fluid that came out of the torx55 drain plug when I opened it, but it was darker from I would think years of use, but it was not oil or transmission fluid. The chances of the same torx55 plug being used on the top side of the same system is high (at least it would be for good engineering, lol ), but we will see. To your point though, without good documentation / access to components that need maintenance (service) from our friends at FIAT, I am not sure what it is, but it's not the engine or the transmission, but looks to be just the shifter area on the drivers side so whatever they call it Dualogic, Conformatic Selespeed (per green vanper), and my name "select o magic" , lol , we will get to the bottom of it without a drawing and without tearing it up. It would make sense logically as well that the transmission would have a sub area and covering protecting the shifter which is really all that is going on, which has glorified some device or subsystem that now moves the linkage for the transmission to know what gear you want. Don't you guys think that if we were making a car, and system, and subsystem off of that, that we would use similar bolts for the drain and fill plugs especially when they are in proximity to the sub system running the select o magic shifting when using non automatic mode of transmission? So until then I will try to find more information on fluids and amounts needed for service, but like I told the green vanper the dealers in the states are not much help. I will hopefully get to it soon, but I appreciate y'all's input. Thanks
As long as you're aware there are two transmission fluids:
- Gear oil for the gearbox
- Hydraulic fluid for the DuaLogic - I don't know if US cars are the same, but Fiat are very specific about the fluid that can be used here, putting the incorrect fluid in can do some expensive damage. Only use what's specified in the owners' handbook
- Gear oil for the gearbox
- Hydraulic fluid for the DuaLogic - I don't know if US cars are the same, but Fiat are very specific about the fluid that can be used here, putting the incorrect fluid in can do some expensive damage. Only use what's specified in the owners' handbook
Thanks brother, no I am not aware of anything on this setup, lol. Some say no gearbox on automatic transmission w/ Duallogic (aka select o magic, lol) and some say yes it has one, but if I can just fluid service what I emptied I will be further along, but it would make sense / be logical that it would be a gearbox setup since fluid did come out and if you logically breakdown the picture, that fill plug sits to the right and towards the back of the car and slightly away from the box with the wiring harness ( robot aka Duallogic , select o magic) going into it that and appears to the physical shifter linkage right next to the shift linkage running to the gear shifter inside the car ( which controls the automatic transmission selection, D, N, or reverse). It would make sense the slight right to left movement on the shifter would route to the wiring harness selection setup (aka duallogic). I found a Redline 70w - 75 gear oil locally but will run the light hydraulic oil test, but it logically makes sense it has some sort of gear box even if it is not a true manual transmission setup with clutch and gearbox. I will keep plowing on it but will do more complete picture and video setup once I do the fluid drip test on it and finish with fluid fill. Maybe it was low to begin with, but it would make sense it should take at least a quart maybe two of fluid, which will probably be te 70w -75 gear oil. I appreciate the thoughts for sure.
DuaLogic on European cars is a standard gearbox and clutch, same as manual transmission cars, plus the DuaLogic robot bolted on top, uses hydraulics to operate the clutch and select gears.
@varesecrazy might know if American cars are basically the same?
@varesecrazy might know if American cars are basically the same?
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US got conventional Autos IIRC
Thanks brother, seems logical to me too and based on digging a little more so far that's what it looks like on this end. They should be similar. Ok, sounds like I should put up the bat signal for @varesecrazy for some input too, lol.
I should have some time to continue on it this week, but will use patience and logic (aka problem killers) as the main tools and it will be straight and legit.
I should have some time to continue on it this week, but will use patience and logic (aka problem killers) as the main tools
and it will be straight and legit.
Oops, sorry for the confusion, I stand corrected. Thanks Charlie!
For my personal knowledge (and anyone in the future who finds this thread):
does it mean that the US Dualogic / Conformatic are the same as the European Dualogic / Conformatic ones (which I assume should be the case)?
I was told that Canada got a conventional Torque Converter Auto gearbox, paired with a 1.4turbo Multiair motor.
I have ZERO experience of US models,
But have been reading forum posts since these cars were launched..
But they are not named Dualogic then, I assume.
Wiki says the model had both dualogic and automatic gearbox. But I can't find the difference (perhaps depends from the generation). They were produced both in Poland (like 30 kms away from where I live) and in Mexico for the American market.
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Thanks so much to all ya'll. Ok, here's what I did today. I pulled the drain plug on driver's side, and again a little fluid came out, but this time since I did the transmission refresh on the fluid, it was more red, so I torqued it down, torqued the fill plug I found on the top side down, went ahead and cleaned up the main ground under the main control box / battery holder and some other ground just above it, reinstalled the wire harness, put the main control box / battery holder back in and hooked everything back up (main wiring harnesses) there, cleaned up the battery terminals, took it off the level setup, and fired it up. Shifted three times through the gearing before moving after a good warmup and took it for a test drive and all is good! So if it helps anyone it is tied / some sort of torque converter overflow drain area it appears. I did not put any fluid in the top fill plug so maybe that is dualogic and automatic gearbox fill, but where that drains I will save for another day when I get a blue print of the transmission systems as a whole, lol. All is good for a while with fresh oil, refreshed transmission fluid, and a new wix air filter, . I may do the plugs soon but may wait till summer and another air filter change since it appears I will have to remove that upper air intake plastic setup to get to the plug holes. I usually just change plugs on most of my car and inspect wires and coil packs but I am open to advice on these little Italian gems. Hope ya'll have a good morning since it's evening here now.
. I may do the plugs soon but may wait till summer and another air filter change since it appears I will have to remove that upper air intake plastic setup to get to the plug holes. I usually just change plugs on most of my car and inspect wires and coil packs but I am open to advice on these little Italian gems. Hope ya'll have a good morning since it's evening here now.
