Balltofeet Fiat
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I have just asked my dealer to change my order. Anyone else having the diesel versus petrol debate. Views?
General 1.2 versus 1.3
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General 1.2 versus 1.3
The diesel can be made as quick as the 1.4 with a relatively small outlay change, plus it does 60+mpg and will retain its value more. Has the 1.2 got more character... maybe.
We've done 4500 miles in our 1.3M-Jet and our local dealer principal took it out today and came back amazed at how good it now was after we had fettled it
, better than the 1.2 he had been buzzing about in. It also hit 117mph on the snooper yesterday at Silverstone - from a 1.3 DIESEL bloooody hell But the 1.2 you can thrash like a loon with a mad glint in your eye and not get into too much trouble and it will sound better, although the 1.3 with a decent exhaust actually sounds good too beleive it or not.
Personally I think all are good having driven all varients, I bought a Multijet as more can be done with them on the tuning side for less cost - BUT I will be ordering a 1.2 in few weeks, I will let others get theirs before we go greedy and have two lol!
I work with an OEM that buys powertrains from Fiat Power Train (FPT) and changed our order from SDE to 1.2 gasoline on their recomendation, having said that the SDE for capacity and performance is amazing. The feeling of having to wring the neck of the little 1.2 seems to sit well with the whole 500 experience, especially here in Italy.
I've got a 1.3 MJT Panda and one of the reasons I chose it over a 1.2 was the extra power and torque. However I notice that the Panda 1.2 put out 60 bhp while the one in the 500 seems to have 69. Not a great diference I know but a 15% increase is something that would cost a few bob to get on the after market. Don't forget that a few years ago a 1.4 12v Bravo only put out about 77 bhp. This may also close the performance gap a bit, especially if you don't do enough miles to make the extra cost of the diesel back by getting more mpg.
Surely fitting VVT would give it VVT, not just changing the head?Same block but 1.4 head gives it VVT.
beast is right in what he said.
So how come the 1.4 doesn't have VVT?
<--- Self-confessed complete dunce when it comes to how stuff works!
Yay for me paying attention in class!
so what happens to the indicators when you do a emergency brake?
When you say VVT, I'm assuming you mean Variable Valve Timing, in which case, the same question; why doesn't the 1.4 have it. Also, doesn't Variable Valve Timing normally involve 4 valves per cylinder?Same block but 1.4 head gives it VVT.
so what happens to the indicators when you do a emergency brake?
The hazards flash 4 times to warn other motorists of your hard braking.
I even remember how to put the fuel cut off switch back to normal.
VVT head is 8V reason behind swap is I belive to enable the engine to be Euro 5 compliant. I would assume the reason the 1.4 16V doesn't have VVT is because it doesn't need it to be Euro 5 compliant.
I'm sure T can give the full explanation.
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The 1.2 weighs a lot less than the 1.3 Mjet so the car must feel more balanced.Given the sort of fuel economy the 1.2 gives which is probably about the same as you will get with the diesel in real life ( See threads in the GP board, it must be on boost all the time in this car ). You may never get the price difference back in fuel and will be hoping for better resale, I would take the money in the bank now over a possible residual in the little Fiat.
BTW isn't it fun trying out the posible sticker/paint combinations on the Fiat website.
. BTW isn't it fun trying out the posible sticker/paint combinations on the Fiat website.
The hazards flash 4 times to warn other motorists of your hard braking.
I even remember how to put the fuel cut off switch back to normal.
VVT head is 8V reason behind swap is I belive to enable the engine to be Euro 5 compliant. I would assume the reason the 1.4 16V doesn't have VVT is
because it doesn't need it to be Euro 5 compliant.
I'm sure T can give the full explanation.
correct ish
the vvt is only there to act as egr for cleaner running as it is on the 1.4 8v
it does not increase power
the reason the engine has more power than previous is the compression ratio is higher
i bet no one remembers how to use the memory seats properly
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yeah..awaits customers complaing seats dont work
....I like the secret compartment under passenger seat though
yeah..awaits customers complaing seats dont work
tis good for storing tom tom and such
yea fold seat forward till it loocks then slide then slide back and then releas back with leather
also if you don't close the compartment properly it makes the hole lot seize up lol
i told all our sales department this other day ready for launch so hopefully every customer will be informed when they buy
I've now (finally ) driven the 1.3 and it is without a doubt the pick of the engines.
It's smooth, quiet, responsive and surprisingly quick. It doesn't feel any slower then the 1.4 off the mark, and the mid-range torque makes for a much better overall performance
I would pay the £1,400 over a 1.2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays!
) driven the 1.3 and it is without a doubt the pick of the engines.It's smooth, quiet, responsive and surprisingly quick. It doesn't feel any slower then the 1.4 off the mark, and the mid-range torque makes for a much better overall performance
I would pay the £1,400 over a 1.2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays!
But you havent tried a 1.2 yet Anyone know when this 2 cylinder jobbie is going into the 500?
Anyone know when this 2 cylinder jobbie is going into the 500?
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I don't know of a single motoring journalist who has driven all three engines and prefers the diesel. The vast majority seem to prefer the 1.2.
