Technical Distributor replacement for Fire 1.1ie engine

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Technical Distributor replacement for Fire 1.1ie engine

OMG Louie, that's fantastic - Thanks very much!!

It certainly does help more, not confusing at all.

The part was listed as £4something + VAT at the dealer, but I haven't paid for it yet, so will know for sure when I pick it up. I just gave my chasis number and explained I needed the rubber gasket seal for the bit between distributor and engine block.
Do you think the inner distributor seal is £4 or so?
I hope the correct part has been ordered - I'll find out when I pick it up I guess.

I'll definately follow your guide, with photos, and report back. I think I may even create a few web pages for these little common repair bits to help others in the future. Just add to it and grow it with everyone's contributions.

Thanks again!
 
Cheers ts86 (y),

I'v been asked if it can be used on a Panda FAQ page which was nice. smokeme is going to do some Uno pages too :).

I'm not sure the shaft seal is avail in UK TBH.

You could end up with a cam cover gasket, which goes over the rounded distributor housing, bit don't seal the dizi in.

I have a spare one at the moment, but I guess the MK 1 will need it soon.

I will have a look for the invoice for you :)
 
Found the Desira invoice

Their O-ring gasket part number is

F0009938590 – but it’s prob. not the FIAT part number.
£0.74 + vat + PnP

Tel. 01379 650131

Here we go...

FIAT Priory invoice
Same price - 74p + vat
Part number I0009938590
M1G1 seal

9938590 brings up the part on my Eper BTW.

Hope this helps!
 
Went to dealer on Monday. The cheaper 75 pence part was in stock on the computer, but none in the back warehouse. So, I had that ordered as well. Looked at the online ePer parts software, and it seems both parts _look_ the same but each one is designed for a different distributor. The cheaper part may very well likely be for the pushrod engines. Although, because it's just a seal, as long as the dimensions are the same it will work.

Anyways, got text message this morning to say it's all arrived in stock, so I'll go and collect (and pay) for them both. Will probably prep. the car (maybe by looking at it and thinking "hey, I can do this!"..lol), but won't get a chance to do the work till tomorrow afternoon or Friday.

Will post when I get back with the seal parts.

Cheers
 
Awesome post Louie! I think you pretty much covered everything, and I certainly can't think of anything else to add.

The Haynes WORKSHOP manuals are pretty good if you are somewhat familiar with car mechanics, though the SERVICE AND REPAIR manuals are a bit easier to understand if you are green to twirling spanners. Personally I prefer the workshop manuals and regard the service and repair manuals as little more than comics! Then again, I have had nearly 20 years :D of working with cars and motorbikes.

By the way, do moderators get rep?

Chas




Louie Bee said:
Hi All, How much are you being charged for the part? My Eper says its £4.15 inc. VAT – which is six times what I paid. I’m not sure how to call up a picture of the part, and I can’t find the part TBH.

My filing system is about 5 months deep :rollyeyes: so I have little chance of finding it for you. Good question – I’m not sure TBH.

I’m not so sure TBH ;) I don’t rate it – LOL I’m only an enthuses – show me any other car and I’d soon be stumped.

OK I think its better to remove the distributor completely and take the opportunity to check vacuum advance. Steps E and F ore optional, but good practice.

First of all, allow a good afternoon for the job – You don’t want to rush to finish as things easily go wrong. Start early if your working outdoors - you don’t want to run out of light. – then again – I took loads of pictures :)

This is exactly how I would do It,

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Key
1 – cam Cover
2 – Cylinder head to distributor join
3 – Distributor
4 – distributor cap
5 – distributor cap retention clip (lower one not in view)
6 – vacuum advance diaphragm
7 – vacuum advance pipe
8 – distributor electrical connector block
9 – Distributor mountain nut and washer – (lower one not in view)

A. with ignition off at all times!!! And engine cold Spray nut and washer 9 with WD40 or other penetrating fluid. Do the lower one too. Put a rag below 2 as there should be a small oil leak when you remove 3.

B. Scribe a couple of scratches across area 2. – This will help you refit the distributor with the correct angle essential for the timing.


C. Unclip 5. and rest 4. out of the way, with all wires connected.

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D. Note which way the rotor arm is pointing, but leave in place. It won’t nessesarrily be pointing the same way as mine pictured BTW.

E. Unplug 8.

F. Follow pipe 7. to the back of the engine and disconnect. Note the pipe is fixed at a right angle and simply pulls off.

Clean the end of the pipe, and try blowing down it gently – less effort then blowing up a balloon. You should be able to blow a tiny amount, then no more. If this is the case the vacuum advance pipe and diaphragm are good.

If you can blow continuously, inspect the pipe for holes. Try removing the other end, blocking it and blowing again. If you can still blow, the pipe needs replacing. Try sucking too, if the pipe collapses it will also need replacing.

If the pipe is good, clean the outside as any oil on it will eat at the pipe and shorten its life.

Hmm it the pipe is good, but no resistance when connected to 6, 6 will need replacing. There is a chance both 6 and 7 could be bad, but your not that unlucky are you?

G. Have the rag ready, loosen nut 9, and the lower one about a turn, twit the distributor to break the seal, then remove the lower nut, put the nut and washer safe, hold the distributor 3 and remove the upper nut (put safe too). Twist 3 and should come away in your hand. pit it somewhere safe and claen, and turn your attention to the leaking oil.

6957Pt2.jpg


Key2
1-0 – Coolant pipe on thermostat
2-0 - Cylinder head to distributor join

H. Don’t let oil drip onto the coolant pipe below – if it does – clean it off. I moved the rags for this picture BTW.

If there is no oil leek – this could mean the cam is running dry, perhaps due to a blocked oil pipe, which will need further investigation. It’s a separate job, which doesn’t need distributor off, and will need at least a cam cover gasket at least.

H. Cleans the old o-ring gasket off face 1-2. I used WD40, sprayed onto a rag to avoid getting any inside the cam. – If there are any stubborn bits I’d say don’t scrape off with anything metal as scratching this face will affect the future seal. If any bits fall inside the cam hole, fish them out, as they won’t do any good in there.

I. Blue Peter time – make 2-1 look like 2-2, using same method as in H.

J. Check inside the distributor for oil. – If you see any – check here https://www.fiatforum.com/showthread.php?t=24730- as the distributor inner seal needs replacing. My local FIAT dealer couldn’t supply the part so I haven’t done it yet. Mine were both OK, but I was going to do them both on the spare distributor. I’m not sure if the distributor will need dismantling like this. if it dose, make sure all the components go back in the same order.

K. Fit the new O-ring to the clean distributor – yes it will go on ;) it sits in the grove. Make sure it isn’t twisted as it will probably compromise the seal. I fitted the gasket dry in that I didn’t lubricate it.

6957New_O_ring.jpg


L. Now your ready to refit the distributor. Twist the rotor arm back to the original position. It can go back 180 degrees the wrong way, or the right way.

M. Marry the distributor to face, may need the distributor body and / or rotor arm twisting, but it will be firmer than when you removed it due to the new O-ring gasket.

N. Now align the scribed marks from B., replace the washers and nuts 9 – don’t over tighten them (hard to explain how tight TBH :eek:).

O. Replace both ends of 7, plug in 8, refit 4, remove your rags, clean where old oil leak ran down bell house, check for spare parts that should have been refitted ;) and start her up.

Take a short drive and check for leaks. – check after a day or too and you should be OK. And not see https://www.fiatforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4618 - but it the

What you reckon Alex, Chas, whoever is still reading ;) – have I missed anything.

That’s a long post – eat your hart out Mr gs and Mr 45S LOL.

Not sure If I’ve clarified or confused things TBH.

Regards All,

P.S. bigger pictures are in my gallery
 
1986Uno45S said:
By the way, do moderators get rep?

Chas
LOL they can get rep - just don't see the reper's comments, or work towards another green bar ;).

Alex nominated me a bit back, but I don't know how to check my score as I don't get the comment in my user CP. - no mod said they’d reped me in the mod only forums - ah Bushboy?.

I did give Luke (the Ice mod) some rep a bit back, and he somehow found it :confused: BTW I can't rep myself :rolleyes:.

Oh cheers for the comment BTW :)

Regards,
 
ts86 said:
The workshop manual is what I have - They don't do a Service and Repair manual for the Uno, or do they?

Yes, they do. It's the red one (how technical!). The orange one was a workshop manual.

Both have the number 923, though the orange manual was for the mk1 only.

Haynes must have updated it to include the mk2, but I think only supplied it as a service and repair manual.

They both pretty much have the same info, just that I prefer the layout of the workshop manual. To me it's more logical and doesn't have the silly spanner rating for each job. Duh!

Chas
 
I did it!

On Friday at 5pm. Took 45 mins. Well pleased.

Cheers Louie and Chas and everyone else for the guide and tips.

Will post information about the whole parts thing when I've got the camera back to download the photo.
 
Hey,

Attached photo shows what I bought back from Fiat parts.

The larger, correct ring gasket, was the cheaper one. Really glad you told me about the correct part number Louie, otherwise I'd have had to wait another week + more trips.

The smaller one was the more expensive £4 thing! Looks like it could be the inner distributor gasket seal? It has a small spring like piece within its rubber groove.
If this smaller one is the inner gasket, then it can be bought in the UK - good to know if you need it.

As for the fitting I did - Well, I have to say, it was really straight forward. I only changed the main bigger one - no opening up of distributor lol!

Most of the time was spent cleaning all the old oil gunk. It was thick, in layers, *ew*

Car runs good. Any significant loss of oil now would be interesting to investigate.

Thanks very very much Louie and Chas. Chas, the tips you have me at the Ace Cafe meet on what to really boosted my confidence to give it a go. Louie, you should picture manuals and sell them ;)

(y) :D :)
 

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No, no, I did do it with the manual - that's the thing.

How much do you want for it? :p

Inner shaft seal, the inner distributor one?
It probably is. Do you it?
 
LOL FIAT Forum is free – that’s one of many good thing about us :) – you can always make a donation to the upkeep though – just click on the “Get Your Own Title” under your user name.

Looks like your offering me the shaft seal “Do you it” thanks if you are, but my new MK1 999 FIRE has the Ducellier (French) distributor with black dizi cap :confused: so probably won’t fit. I’m not sure if I have the correct distributor TBH, but it does the trick :).

Regards,
Lewis.
 
ts86 said:
Thanks very very much Louie and Chas. Chas, the tips you have me at the Ace Cafe meet on what to really boosted my confidence to give it a go. Louie, you should picture manuals and sell them ;)

(y) :D :)

Well done TS86!

My Uno consultancy fees only run to about £40 an hour. :p

Now you've done that job, you can look at doing some others. Before you know it you'll be stripping and rebuilding cars in a weekend :D

Keep reading the Haynes/ Porter Manual, and you'll soon understand the fundamentals of working on a car. And of course, you can always ask on the forum as we're all happy to offer help and advice.

See you at the next ACE Cafe Italian car meet!
 
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Yeah Louie, I was offering it to you :)
I need to sort out my typing - I blame this new keyboard!

Chas, you're too cheap :p
I think you're right. The thing I'm going to look at this afternoon is the earth connectors Louie talked about, and maybe pick up that ISO wiring block from Maplins.

I was bidding on a Porter manual on ebay, but couldn't get online when I got outbid. It went for £1.20! :eek:
Apparently the Porter manual is a good one, sometimes better thaan Haynes.
Do you have Porter one? I could sit one day and scan it all in, convert to PDF and upload it for everyone.
I bought the "Halfords Essential Guide" for the Uno. LOL, it's pathetic!
 
I saw you had a bid on a porter manual the other week, so I didn’t tell anyone. I didn’t realise it had slipped through your fingers TBH. I spotted this one on a 3 day listing and gave Luke a shout - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7983457894&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

The porter manual is a lot more in-depth than the red Haynes, but if you have both, you sometimes end up confused with conflicts. I was going to scan and PDF the manual, but I never got round to it :eek:. I’m not sure of the legality of doing so. Hopefully, some one local to you will lend you theirs to scan, mine is looking worse for ware after a lot of referencing for FF. They do occasionally come up now and again on e-bay.

Regards,
 
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